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Siri Macallan says, "First, I'd like to say that the discussion of archetypes sometimes gets
people upset.  They're linked to religions, mythologies and psychology ... and each of those
'philosophies' view them differently.  I'd just like to make it clear up front that tonight the
ONLY way I'm using any of the terms given is from a purely storytelling or character-creation
viewpoint."
>
Siri Macallan says, "So if you're feeling like I'm attacking something you hold dear, I'm not."
>
Siri Macallan grins.
>
Siri Macallan says, "When we build characters we often start with a stereotypic image of
something, then add flesh to it from there.  And unless you've got a pre-conceived notion of a
character in mind before you hit the Character Manager, that's what the current system lends
itself towards.  We're told to pick a profession.  From there we add onto the character."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Building characters/personas in this fashion is drawing upon stereotypes
-- the taking of certain external qualities or observed actions and making a judgement on the
character as to who they are."
>
Siri Macallan says, "A Private Investigator wears a slouch hat, and drinks hard liquor ...
often.  An Academician totes books and papers, wears glasses and spouts million dollar words.
A Secret Agent wears a trench coat, and meets people in dark places at suspect hours of the
night."
>
Siri Macallan says, "All these things MAY be true, and they're certainly what we expect (in a
lot of cases) of these professions/types of people based on what we've seen in the past in
movies, TV or by what we were raised with."
>
Siri Macallan says, "But they may also be untrue."
>
Siri Macallan shrugs.
>
Siri Macallan says, "And that's the problem with stereotypes, they're not the whole story, and
they're based on outward perception.  As a cookie cutter basis for character creation, it's
fine.  But once you have your spectacle wearing, book-toting academic, where do you go from
there?"
>
Siri Macallan says, "Archetypes, on the other hand, deal with internals."
>
Siri Macallan says, "For characters, they represent what we do, why we do it, what we fear,
what we need to overcome in our lives."
>
Siri Macallan says, "If we look at a pocket watch, a Stereotype says:  It's old-fashioned.
It's gold.  It's expensive.  It's fussy.  It's high maintenance.  It's unreliable next to
today's technology.  An Archetype explains:  It has gears and springs and is used for this
purpose.  This is why you don't submerge it in water, and this is why you wind it up.  One is
based on perceived notions.  The other is based on what makes it work and why."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Let's talk about the specifics of archetypes now."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Carl Gustav Jung popularized the term 'archetype' in his writings on
psychology.  He had two meanings.  I'm only going to work with his second meaning tonight."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Jung used the word 'archetype' to mean 'mythological image'.   For Jung,
myths were not inventions, but were rather representations that reflect real ways the mind
perceives and reacts to the world."
>
Siri Macallan says, "In post-Jungian psychology, 'archetype' came to mean the basic patterns of
human consciousness -- or how we think, and why."
>
Siri Macallan says, "In other words, they are blueprints for the self."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Which is perfect for building characters once you know what archetypes are
out there, and what each of them brings with it as baggage.  Think of them as pre-made packets
of basic motivation to which you just add your creativity and voila!  A completely unique
character!"
>
Siri Macallan says, "Before I get into the actual individual archetypes, I want to go over a
few concepts on which you can hang those archetypes.  Again, these all come from Jung, but I'm
using them for character creation purpose, not psychological ... "
>
Siri Macallan says, "So if this seems somewhat counter to what you learned in Psych 101 ...
Well, it probably is."
>
Siri Macallan smiles.
>
Siri Macallan says, "Jung had five of these ... I'm only going to talk about three."
>
Siri Macallan says, "For your convenience, I've listed out the generalities of what I'm about
to go over on the whiteboard here."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Each character has different levels of motivation.  I liken characters to
filing cabinets at times -- Each drawer contains a different file, a different set of
information on the character."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Now, you can make your character a one drawer person, or a five drawer
person.  It's up to you, and how in-depth you want to go with your creation.  I'm just offering
what's there, and you can take the ball and run with it."
>
Siri Macallan says, "In psychological terms we all supposedly have all of the drawers.  Happily
we don't have to take the full meal deal when we're storytelling."
>
Siri Macallan says, "The first drawer is the 'Shadow'."
>
Siri Macallan says, "The Shadow is the dark side.  It's the side of our characters that either
they're ashamed of and hide, or that they won't admit to and deny that they have."
>
Siri Macallan says, "The Shadow is that side which has been proclaimed as socially or
individually taboo, and so is fascinating even though we're not supposed to get near it."
>
Siri Macallan says, "In popular culture, the Shadow is seen in characters like the Batman, the
Spider Woman (as in The Kiss of), even Robin Hood.  They're dangerous, desirable, dark beings
-- not necessarily evil.  Just dark or taboo.  It's what your character has to hide about
himself ... not necessarily dark deeds done, but why the dark deeds were done.  It's the
motivations you don't want to admit to."
>
Siri Macallan says, "It represents our character's subconscious mind."
>
Siri Macallan says, "The second drawer is the 'Soul'."
>
Siri Macallan says, "For character creation purposes, the Soul is the outward manifestation.
It's what we let everyone see.  It's where people assume their stereotyping from.  It's the
motivations which are bright and shiny and perfectly clear.  It's what we'll admit to being.
It's part of the mask we wear daily."
>
Siri Macallan says, "It's our character's consciousness."
>
Siri Macallan says, "The third drawer is the 'Self'."
>
Siri Macallan says, "The Self is really what I call the end of the chapter in the storytelling
process.  The Self is when your character has merged their Shadow and their Soul, becoming
evolved, or enlightened, or one with the Universe.  Whatever you want to call it."
>
Siri Macallan says, "When the character reaches 'Self' he or she has has slain the dragons
laying in wait, found the grail, come to grips with his own demons, and is ready to move on."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Galahad achieved his grail and ascended into heaven.  Lancelot did not.
Enoch is taken up in a chariot of fire.  Darth Vader, in Return of the Jedi, dies balanced
between dark and light.  Both served their purpose, and now both are balanced."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Once the 'Self' has been realized, it's time for a new adventure.  Time to
pick a new archetype."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Okay, those are the drawers into which you can place your archetypal
images.  Now let's get into the nitty and gritty of what images there are in our collective
minds."
>
Siri Macallan says, "There are twelve basic archetypes found in most literature, mythos,
religions, etc., and they can be found in narratives as far back as the first recorded stories
in all cultures."
>
Siri Macallan says, "All characters follow at least one of these whether by design or by
happenstance.  More complex characters have a mix of two or more."
>
Siri Macallan says, "The twelve are: The Innocent, Orphan, Warrior, Caregiver, Seeker, Lover,
Destroyer, Creator, Ruler, Magician, Sage and Fool."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Carol Pearson has taken each of the archetypes and has set down the
predetermined fears, obstacles, tasks/quests, and rewards for each."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Fear: This is the fear which is usually the motivating factor for
undergoing the quest (why else would the hero need to put herself at risk?) It is also the
principal danger that lurks in the shadow of the archetype."
>
Siri Macallan says, "There's that word ... 'Shadow'."
>
Siri Macallan grins.
>
Siri Macallan says, "Dragon: In most quests the hero soon meets the dragon.  This represents
the major problem or obstacle of the quest -- the opposition that must be overcome in order for
the quest to be successful. "
>
Siri Macallan says, "Task: This is the task that the hero must accomplish in order to succeed
at the quest. Succeeding at the task is usually sufficient to overcome the dragon; however
failure to do so can lead to becoming what the hero fears most -- his dark self, or shadow."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Virtue: Succeeding at the quest earns the hero these rewards of self. In
addition to the hand of the princess, the castle, and the gold."
>
Siri Macallan says, "While each of these things may very well come with some tangible
manifestations in the game, these five are primarily internal.  They're what the character is
seeking for self, trying to overcome for self, etc."
>
Siri Macallan says, "I'll give you one example of a new character based on two of these
archetypes, so you can see how all of this gets put together.  Then I'll show you the worksheet
for the session, and I'll open the floor for questions."
>
Siri Macallan smiles.
>
Siri Macallan says, "Here's a quick look at a character I created for a live game that meets
every other week.  Since I was writing all this stuff up when we were putting a new group
together, I thought I'd use it."
>
Siri Macallan chuckles.
>
Siri Macallan says, "She was created by writing the archetypes on slips of paper, and then
drawing two at random."
>
Siri Macallan says, "The character's outward expression (Soul) is that of the 'Creator'
archetype."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Her quest is to gain identity in her world.  Discover fully who she is and
what her place is in the world."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Her fear is of being seen as illusionary, or not 'real', or not worth
being 'counted'."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Her dragon or opposition is that she is illegitimate in a society where
legitimacy counts for a very great deal.  And while others may get over this, it's a stigma SHE
needs to get past."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Her  task is to self-create and self-accept.  To be who she is regardless
of social pressures."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Her reward or virtue will be to gain individuality and vocation.  To be
herself, and be able to give of herself without fear of rejection due to social situations."
>
Siri Macallan says, "So that's what's on the outside. That's what she knows about herself, and
what the world can mostly see.  On the shadow side of her, however, she's got another level of
motivations -- ones she doesn't admit to because they indicate 'weakness'."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Her 'Shadow' is the Orphan."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Her quest is to regain safety.  She doesn't admit that that's what she
wants, but that IS what she wants."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Her fear is of being exploited."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Her dragon or opposition is the fact that in her desire for safety she
will unknowingly place herself in positions where she may very well be exploited."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Her task, what she needs to achieve is to process and feel pain fully.  In
other words, she needs to figure out what's going on, and then get past it -- not just ignore
it or deny it."
>
Siri Macallan says, "What she gains would be interdependence and realism."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Now ... some of this stuff may never, ever manifest in the game.  But
because I've plotted out how her conscious and subconscious mind works, where her motivations
stem from, I can have her be someone completely unique ..."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Someone who is other than myself, as her 'archetypes' aren't my personal
ones.  I'll also be able to have her experience breakthroughs as situations play themselves out
in the campaign."
>
Siri Macallan says, "To recap, archetypes are all internal machinery.  It's what makes your
character tick way deep down.  They're the reason the character chooses medical school instead
of becoming a surfer bum.  They're the reason they ditched medical school to become a surfer
bum.  They're the reason they don't let anyone close to them, or they let everyone in."
>
Siri Macallan says, "They're why our characters do what they do."
>
Siri Macallan shifts her weight.
>
Siri Macallan says, "Now, some people don't care to get this deep into the creation process.
But for those that do ... this is for you."
>
Siri Macallan drops a worksheet.
>
Siri Macallan smiles.
>
Siri Macallan says, "Here's the worksheet, and now I'll open up the floor for questions and
comments."



                   *** ARCHETYPAL CHARACTERS ***

The following has been adapted from Carol Pearson's book, "Awakening the Heroes Within", which
in turn is based on Joseph Campbells' "Hero with a Thousand Faces." (credit given where credit
is due).  Any one of these archetypes can exemplify a person/character during different phases
in the course of his or her life's journey.   Examples in parentheses have been taken from
various sources (Tarot, Greek mythology, modern mythology, literature, and the works of C.G.
Jung).

Innocent
     Quest: To remain in safety.
     Fear: Being abandoned.
     Dragon: Will deny it or seek outside rescue from it.
     Task: To gain fidelity and discernment.
     Virtue: Trust and optimism.

Orphan (Widow, Prisoner, Beast)
     Quest: To regain safety.
     Fear: Being exploited.
     Dragon: Will be victimized by it.
     Task: To process and feel pain fully.
     Virtue: Interdependence and realism.

Warrior  (Knight, Crusader, Avatar, Jedi, Champion)
     Quest: To win.
     Fear: Weakness.
     Dragon: Will slay or confront it.
     Task: To fight only for what really matters.
     Virtue: Courage and discipline.

Caregiver  (Sidekick, Guardian, Madonna, Guide, Shepherd, Healer)
     Quest: To help others.
     Fear: Selfishness.
     Dragon: Will take care of it and those it harms.
     Task: To give without maiming self or others.
     Virtue: Compassion and generosity.

Seeker (Druid, Hermit, Galahad, Jack the Giant Killer)
     Quest: To search for a better life.
     Fear: Conformity.
     Dragon: Will flee from it.
     Task: To be true to the deeper self.
     Virtue: Autonomy and ambition.

Lover (Aphrodite)
     Quest: To gain bliss.
     Fear: Loss of love.
     Dragon: Will love it.
     Task: To follow bliss.
     Virtue: Passion and commitment.

Destroyer (Outlaw, Death, Sycophant, Spy, Aries, Pluto, Thief, Rebel)
     Quest: To metamorphosis.
     Fear: Annihilation.
     Dragon: Will allow dragon to destroy oneself.
     Task: To let go.
     Virtue: Humility.

Creator  (Empress, Madonna, Architect, Poet, Diva)
     Quest: To gain identity.
     Fear: Of being illusionary.
     Dragon: Will claim it as part of oneself.
     Task: To self-create and self-accept.
     Virtue: Individuality and vocation.

Ruler (Captain, Noble, Judge, Governor, Emperor, Hierophant, Chariot, Sith, Zeus)
     Quest: To create order.
     Fear: Of creating chaos.
     Dragon: Will find constructive uses for it.
     Task: To take full responsibility.
     Virtue: Responsibility and control.

Magician (Smith, Alchemist, Colonist, Thespian, Scribe, Storyteller, Temperance, Hepheastus,
Vulcan, Rebel)
     Quest: To transform.
     Fear: Of assuming evil sorcery.
     Dragon: Will transform it.
     Task: To align self with the cosmos.
     Virtue: Personal power.

Sage (Beauty, Priest, Justice, High Priestess, Athena, Judgement, Jedi, Oracle)
     Quest: To find truth.
     Fear: Deception.
     Dragon: To transcend it.
     Task: To attain enlightenment.
     Virtue: Wisdom and non-attachment.

Fool (Jester)
     Quest: To enjoy life for its own sake.
     Fear: Of being not-alive.
     Dragon: Will play tricks on it.
     Task: To trust in the process of becoming.
     Virtue: Joy and freedom.


EXPLANATIONS:

Fear: This is the fear which is usually the motivating factor for undergoing the quest (why
else would the hero need to put herself at risk?) It is also the principal danger that lurks in
the shadow of the archetype.

Dragon: In most quests the hero soon meets her dragon. This represents the major problem or
obstacle of the quest -- the opposition that must be overcome in order for the quest to be
successful.

Task: This is the task that the hero must accomplish in order to succeed at the quest.
Succeeding at the task is usually sufficient to overcome the dragon; however failure to do so
can lead to becoming what the hero fears most -- his dark self, or shadow.

Virtue: Succeeding at the quest earns the hero these rewards of self.  In addition to the hand
of the princess, the castle, and the gold ... follow the Hero Quest.


BIBLIOGRAPHY and CREDITS for sources used in Forum:

   Joseph Campbell, "Hero with a Thousand Faces"
   I Ching
   Tarot, Greater Arcana
   "Bullfinches Greek Mythology"
   Sallie Nichols, "Jung and Tarot"
   Carol Pearson, "Awakening the Heroes Within"
   "Archetypes"  Copyright 1997,1998,1999 Lon Koenig Games

Good links:

   http://www.thecards.com  -- Archetype Cards
   http://www.dom.net/wrd/new/arch  -- "The Modern Archetypes"
   http://archetype.webjump.com -- Archetypes in Literature





                 *CHARACTER/ARCHETYPE WORKSHEET*

 *Character Name:

 *Which archetype most represents what your character sees themself as?
     - Why?
     - What is your character's main emotional fear?
     - What is the main obstacle which prevents him/her to move past the fear?
     - Is this something which can be changed through in-game RPing, or would
         it be done "off-camera"?
     - What is the personal task/knowledge your character needs to obtain or
         accomplish in order to evolve?
     - Do you want your character to evolve?
     - How do you think the "virtue" for this archetype would manifest for
         your character?

 *What is the archetype which represents your characters "Shadow" side?
     - How does this "dark side" reveal itself to others on the island, or
         to your character?
     - What does your character think would be the consequences if this side
         of them was revealed to others?
     - How does your character feel about their repressed side, assuming they
         are aware of it?

 *Which archetype would others (friends, associates, family) choose to sum up
    your character's outward presence?
     - Is it the same archetype as the one you chose?
     - If not, why?


 Please send your completed worksheets to Siri at MO-Siri@play.net before May 31, 2000, and the
character you wrote about will receive 10,000 notoriety.  Slap-dash worksheets, or those which
obviously weren't done with any thought at all will be returned to sender either for a re-do or
with questions for clarification at Siri's discretion.



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Siri Macallan opens the floor back up for general discussion.


>
Siri Macallan says, "I put everyone alseep."
>
Katharina Allegro says, "Wow"
>
Donovan Quest chuckles.
>
Nina Perrson grins.
>
Siri Macallan shakes your head.
>
The Honorable Bryan Hit just arrived.
>
Ichiko Daiumi glances around.
>
Courtney Chisolm grins.
>
Bryan Hit sits down.
>
Elise Evans asks, "Can we take a copy of the worksheet to look at later, or should we make
notes?"
>
Amanda Hunter just hugged Bryan Hit.
>
Siri Macallan says, "Copy & paste."
>
Bryan Hit just hugged Meda Fyre.
>
Meda Fyre just hugged Bryan Hit.
>
Siri Macallan asks, "Cricket, you had a question?"
>
Siri Macallan asks, "Okay.  What are you confused about?"
>
Siri Macallan smiles.
>
Cricket Morgan blushes a nice shade of off-pink.
>
Cricket Morgan stands back up.
>
Cricket Morgan sits down.
>
Siri Macallan asks, "Does everyone understand how the Tasks, Goals, Dragons, thing works?"
>
Cricket Morgan says, "I'm just not sure I fully understand the concept of archetypes"
>
Hans Sarber nods to you.
>
Cricket Morgan says, "too many big words for me"
>
Cricket Morgan giggles.
>
Cricket Morgan blushes a nice shade of off-pink.
>
Siri Macallan says, "Okay, let's work from it backwards."
>
Siri Macallan asks, "Cricket, are you familiar with the Greek gods?"
>
Cricket Morgan nods.
>
Courtney Chisolm says, "I think it's hard, when you're first approaching a character in this
manner, to grasp every concept. We aren't speaking in objects here. It's all subjective, which
as we all know, never has one correct answer or response."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Each of them is an archetype ... they represent ideals and ways of
thinking or being wrapped up in one package."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Aphrodite represents love, etc."
>
Cricket Morgan nods.
>
Siri Macallan says, "And the persuing of it."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Aries is the god of war ... conquest, reducing other's plans to rubble."
>
Siri Macallan says, "He's the destroyer archetype."
>
Siri Macallan says, "So all archetypes are is a grouping of "universal" characteristics."
>
Donovan Quest says, "Like everything she does is motivitate toward that goal, Aphrodite? Or
Aries is totally focused on the conflicts that stir up the warring instincts in all?"
>
Cricket Morgan asks, "i guess my question is How does this relate to me?"
>
Siri Macallan says, "Yes.  Aries is for stirring up trouble.  He doen't necessarily have change
in mind for it."
>
Donovan Quest nods.
>
Siri Macallan says, "Or a new civilization afterwards ... he just wants the conflict."
>
Amanda Jackson asks, "Oh can we associate these with astrological signs?"
>
Siri Macallan says, "Most of them are."
>
Siri Macallan nods.
>
Siri Macallan says, "Go for it."
>
Siri Macallan says, "One of my sources said that all astrological signs are representations of
these twelve archetypes."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Just another name for them."
>
Nina Perrson says, "hmm.."
>
Amanda Jackson says, "I could probably translate"
>
Irene Blackwell says, "That makes sense. Or the twelve years of the Chinese calendar."
>
Courtney Chisolm says, "But Siri, we aren't gods. We aren't all driven by one motive. What
really makes it interesting is the challenges and conflicts that develop between what our
task-self thinks we should be doing and what our fear-self is keeping us from doing."
>
You nod to Irene Blackwell.
>
Siri Macallan says, "Right ... and that's where the Shadow comes in."
>
Mark Grant says, "Speak for yourself Courtney"
>
Mark Grant chuckles.
>
Courtney Chisolm glances at Mark Grant.
>
Courtney Chisolm falls backwards from her seat and passes out!
>
Irene Blackwell grins.
>
Siri Macallan says, "Or if you want to go into more than that, the Anima and Animus."
>
Courtney Chisolm sits up.
>
Courtney Chisolm grins.
>
Mark Grant giggles.
>
Siri Macallan says, "But I didn't feel like digging into those tonight."
>
Courtney Chisolm says, "Oops. Sorry."
>
Courtney Chisolm blushes a nice shade of off-pink.
>
Donovan Quest says, "That is why Aries or Aprodite make good examples, though, each would
approach the same incident in different manners"
>
Siri Macallan says, "Part of the fun in using them is pulling one out of a hat, and seeing what
you can do with it."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Maybe we can have an archetype party, and we all come as our favorite
one."
>
Siri Macallan whistles a cheerful tune.
>
Courtney Chisolm grins.
>
Courtney Chisolm says, "Only if I can find appropriate costuming."
>
Donovan Quest grins at Courtney Chisolm.
>
Maia Hawthorne grins.
>
Maia Hawthorne pets a furry white bunny suit lined with pink satin at the paws.
>
Maia Hawthorne says, "Oh, wait, wrong costume"
>
Courtney Chisolm laughs!
>
Meda Fyre grins.
>
Hans Sarber begins laughing at Maia Hawthorne!
>
Bryan Hit grins at Maia Hawthorne.
>
Miranda Myles glances at Maia Hawthorne.
>
Irene Blackwell says, "Not quite sure which archetype that one is."
>
Maia Hawthorne grins at Irene Blackwell.
>
Irene Blackwell smiles.
>
Courtney Chisolm says, "Depends on what type of bunny suit it is, I suppose."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Some of these archetypes can obviously be "dark" in nature."
>
Siri Macallan says, "The rebel for one."
>
Edward Gregor says, "the challenge is in taking a "dark" archetype and playing him light."
>
Siri Macallan says, "The Ruler, the Warrior."
>
Siri Macallan says, "So just because an archetype looks "nice" doesn't necessarily mean he's
"good"."
>
Edward Gregor frowns.
>
Donovan Quest nods.
>
Siri Macallan asks, "Any other questions or comments?"
>
Donovan Quest says, "If the rebel is the part you want to hide, then you do everything to hide
that aspect"
>
Siri Macallan nods to Donovan Quest.
>
Donovan Quest says, "If it's the part that covers up the part of you that wants to conform then
the rebel is what people see to cover the conformist hiding inside"
>
Courtney Chisolm grins.
>
Amanda Jackson says, "I was able to convert some archetypes to astro signs "
>
Edward Gregor chuckles.
>
Donovan Quest says, "And neither will be very successful at hiding the other I would think in
that extreme case"
>
Siri Macallan asks, "What have you got, Amanda?"
>
Siri Macallan smiles.
>
Donovan Quest smiles at Amanda Jackson.
>
Siri Macallan says, "I listed the major arcana from Tarot under the examples of each ... the
ones I could translate."
>
Amanda Jackson says, "I'd guess it goes Pisces- Innocent, Gemini- Orphan, Aries- Warrior,
Cancer- Caregiver, Virgo- Seeker, Taurus- Lover, Scorpio- Destroyer, Aquarius- Creator, Leo-
Ruler, Capricorn- Magician, Sagittarius- Fool, Libra- Sage"
>
Siri Macallan says, "And yes, I will be leaving this stuff up for the duration of the notoriety
offer."
>
Siri Macallan jumps into the air and give Amanda Jackson a triumphant high five.
>
Donovan Quest grins.
>
Nina Perrson blinks at Amanda Jackson.
>
Edward Gregor asks, "notoriety offer?"
>
Nina Perrson laughs!
>
Donovan Quest says, "I am impressed"
>
Siri Macallan asks, "Mind if I add those to the list?"
>
Amanda Jackson asks, "do you know what they really are?"
>
Amanda peers quizzically at Siri Macallan.
>
Nina Perrson says, "cool, my sign is the one i was gonna pick for me"
>
Donovan Quest says, "course those are just the sun signs"
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Amanda Jackson says, "I'm not totally sure those are right though"
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Meda Fyre says, "That makes me a fool"
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Meda Fyre grins.
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Mark Grant lets out a hearty cheer for Meda Fyre.
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Amanda Jackson says, "some fit several of them"
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Mark Grant begins chuckling at Meda Fyre.
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Mark Grant blushes a nice shade of off-pink.
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Donovan Quest says, "So you add the moon signs and you have even closer correlation to Siri's
subconscious and concious stuff"
>
Siri Macallan says, "I'm not sure what they had intended ... I just remember one of the sources
saying that all the signs were reflections of the archetypes."
>
Amanda Jackson says, "I used to know my moon sign"
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Donovan Quest says, "or rather the one drawer versus two drawer character"
>
Amanda Jackson says, "I think I'm Sun Leo, Moon Gemini"
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Siri Macallan says, "The notoriety offer ... I'm offering everyone who takes time to do the
worksheet and send it in 10k in notoriety for the character worked on."
>
Donovan Quest grins at Amanda Jackson.
>
Courtney Chisolm says, "If what Amanda says is true, I need to start practicing that innocent
thing."
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Edward Gregor begins chuckling at Courtney Chisolm.
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Mark Grant coughs.
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Meda Fyre asks, "Can we do it for more than one charachter?"
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Siri Macallan says, "Sure."
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Siri Macallan nods to Meda Fyre.
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Edward Gregor says, "thank you for the clarification ms macallan"
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Jon Garfield asks, "Is that for current characters, or are we supposed to make new ones for
it?"
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Siri Macallan says, "Any character you've got in the game, Jon."
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Siri Macallan smiles.
>
Jon Garfield says, "Like using the draw slips out of a hat method for a new one"
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Jon Garfield says, "ok"
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Siri Macallan says, "I am serious though ... if I think you're just tossing out junk onto the
page just to get the notoriety, I won't give."
>
Nina Perrson grins.
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Siri Macallan says, "And I'll send it back asking for a re-do or clarification."
>
Siri Macallan smiles.
>
Vivian Lockwood asks, "Will you be assigning grades?"
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Vivian Lockwood ducks her head.
>
Vivian Lockwood grins.
>
Siri Macallan grins at Vivian Lockwood.
>
Courtney Chisolm glances at Vivian Lockwood.
>
Courtney Chisolm sighs.
>
Nina Perrson just made a funny face.
>
Danie Roberts grins.
>
Courtney Chisolm says, "And I just told someone I was on vacation."
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Siri Macallan says, "Just pass/fail."
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Jon Garfield says, "Oops"
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Courtney Chisolm says, "Now she has me doing homework for grades."
>
Vivian Lockwood says, "Seriously, I think it's a good project."
>
Courtney Chisolm groans.
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Nina Perrson says, "pass/fail courses are the best"
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Nina Perrson grins.
>
Vivian Lockwood smiles, showing her dimple.
>
Meda Fyre agrees with Nina Perrson.
>
Donovan Quest asks, "Would anyone mind if Siri shared some of the passing ones on the boards or
in the next forum?"
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Edward Gregor says, "assuming i pass i wouldn't mind."
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Miranda Myles chuckles.
>
Donovan Quest says, "So we could see examples of how it works"
>
Courtney Chisolm says, "Fine with me. You all know how important I feel career counseling is.
Character counseling would be just as welcome."
>
Siri Macallan says, "The only thing about that is that you're willing to show your character's
weakenesses."
>
Siri Macallan says, "And I'd most likely post them on the boards."
>
Irene Blackwell says, "Some people might mind. Maybe people should tell Siri if they mind or
not when they send it to her."
>
Edward Gregor says, "on one condition..."
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Kira Maxwell says, "You could always hide the names."
>
Siri Macallan says, "True."
>
Siri Macallan nods to Kira Maxwell.
>
Donovan Quest asks, "Perhaps you could add I would be willing to share or not on the the
bottom?"
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Siri Macallan says, "If you're willing, note it."
>
Edward Gregor asks, "perhaps share all but the weakness?"
>
Courtney Chisolm says, "Perhaps we could add a notation at the end of the worksheet if we don't
mind having the information posted."
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Courtney Chisolm laughs!
>
Irene Blackwell nods to Courtney Chisolm.
>
Courtney Chisolm asks, "A psychic connection, Siri?"
>
Siri Macallan says, "If I don't see it, then I will assume you'd rather not."
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Donovan Quest says, "I just suggest that this would help those that are confused"
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Courtney Chisolm nods to Donovan Quest.
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Siri Macallan says, "Or share with each other."
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Siri Macallan grins.
>
Donovan Quest nods to Siri Macallan.
>
Siri Macallan says, "You can work in groups."
>
Siri Macallan says, "It's allowed."
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Siri Macallan grins.
>
Edward Gregor coughs.
>
Bryan Hit says, "confused...yup"
>
Bryan Hit nods.
>
Edward Gregor asks, "this may sound stupid, but are the forums IC or OOC?"
>
Bryan Hit grins.
>
Siri Macallan smiles at Bryan Hit.
>
Meda Fyre comforts Bryan Hit.
>
Jon Garfield says, "OOC, that's why they're here"
>
Hans Sarber says, "This is the Reality Cafe."
>
Edward Gregor nods.
>
Hans Sarber grins.
>
Edward Gregor says, "i thought so..."
>
Siri Macallan asks, "What's clear as mud, Bryan?"
>
Edward Gregor says, "there are certain people that don't figure that out though, so i had to
ask."
>
Jon Garfield says, "Though even ones in the Port Club are usually OOC too"
>
Siri Macallan says, "We're not using the Port Club anymore."
>
Siri Macallan sighs.
>
Nina Perrson gets an excited expression on her face and lets out a hearty cheer.
>
Nina Perrson ducks her head.
>
Courtney Chisolm says, "Good, they never clean the locker rooms there. Always smells like old
tennis shoes."
>
Bryan Hit says, "pretty much everything. i'm not sure i understand any of it. but, that's
probably because i got into this forum late"
>
Bryan Hit says, "now that makes TWO logs i will need to read"
>
Siri Macallan says, "Reading is good for the soul."
>
Siri Macallan nods.
>
Courtney Chisolm chuckles.
>
Bryan Hit says, "hopefully someone is logging this one"
>
Mike Tucker asks, "did you see the whiteboard, Bryan?"
>
Bryan Hit asks, "white board?"
>
Roberts points at a large whiteboard.
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Siri Macallan taps a large whiteboard.
>
Nina Perrson points at a large whiteboard.
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Amanda Blair giggles.
>
Meda Fyre points at a large whiteboard.
>
Friday Jones giggles.
>
Nina Perrson points at a worksheet.
>
Rain Beringer points at a large blackboard.
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Meda Fyre says, "Okay, im slow today"
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Meda Fyre grins.
>
Bryan Hit says, "woah....brain drain"
>
Bryan Hit grins.
>
Jon Garfield says, "It's not a large whiteboard, it's an incredibly huge one"
>
Irene Blackwell smiles.
>
Jon Garfield says, "Or reallllly tiny writing"
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Siri Macallan grins at Jon Garfield.
>
Irene Blackwell says, "Both."
>
Meda Fyre squints at the writing.
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Siri Macallan says, "At least it's all in one place."
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Jon Garfield nods to Siri Macallan.
>
Siri Macallan says, "So that's really it."
>
Courtney Chisolm says, "Siri, let's be clear about one thing here. You're not going to decide
pass/fail on what you agree with as a suitable character. You're going to be looking strictly
at the development of said character. Even though you may find the concept unsavory."
>
Jon Garfield says, "At least you're not like the teachers in high school and college who erase
it before you get to take the notes"
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Jon Garfield grins at you.
>
Siri Macallan nods to Courtney Chisolm.
>
Siri Macallan says, "Yep."
>
Courtney Chisolm nods.
>
Siri Macallan says, "If questions come up,  you're always free to email me."
>
Siri Macallan says, "I'll add the astrological signs to the examples too."
>
Courtney Chisolm says, "I just got an odd picture of all these people trying to figure out what
pleases Siri."
>
Nina Perrson gives a big thumbs up!
>
A look of pain crosses Amanda Jackson's face.
>
Amanda Blair chuckles.
>
Bryan Hit silently studies a large whiteboard.  He seems to be completely captivated.
>
Bryan Hit gets a distant look on his face as he ponders.
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Siri Macallan says, "Nah, just write about your characters."
>
Jon Garfield asks, "And a note blaming Amanda if they're wrong?"
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Jon Garfield ducks his head.
>
Jon Garfield pats Amanda on the back.
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Courtney Chisolm laughs!
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Nina Perrson says, "yeah, if i wrote something that was trying to please siri, she'd know i was
lying"
>
Amanda Jackson says, "Ok, some I'm sure of"
>
Irene Blackwell takes a sip of her steaming cappuccino.
>
Rain Beringer begins laughing at Nina Perrson!
>
Courtney Chisolm begins chuckling at Nina Perrson.
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Nina Perrson says, "i'm the innocent, really."
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Nina Perrson whistles innocently to herself.
>
Rain Beringer snickers.
>
Amanda Jackson says, "Like Aries is definitely warrior, Cancer is Caregiver and I'm pretty sure
Scorpio is Destroyer"
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Siri Macallan says, "One of the tricks on figuring out which archetype is yours is by looking
at the "fears" section."
>
Nina Perrson says, "scorpio is destroyer? well, that explains my mother"
>
Siri Macallan nods to Amanda Jackson.
>
Amanda Jackson grins.
>
Danie Roberts cackles oddly at Nina Perrson.
>
Rain Beringer coughs.
>
Bryan Hit says, "i don't know about my sign. i see all kinds of explanations of it that don't
fit me"
>
Amanda Blair exclaims, "I'm an Aries...must be a noveau-kind of warrior!"
>
Siri Macallan says, "The destroyer isn't necessarily a bad archetype."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Rebels are needed to bring about change."
>
Amanda Jackson says, "Pisces is probably innocent, and lover is either Taurus or Libra"
>
Courtney Chisolm says, "It's also really good to investigate the conflicts within yourself.
It'll give you vast insight into your character's theme."
>
Rain Beringer says, "Whats orphan Amanda"
>
Danie Roberts says, "Libra, for sure."
>
Jon Garfield says, "Are you sure about Aries? I always thought it was different than the Greek
god Ares, who Siri talked about earlier"
>
Bryan Hit asks, "what is Caregiver?"
>
Siri Macallan says, "Cancer."
>
Amanda Jackson says, "I went with Taurus since Libra sounded more like wisdom to me because
they stand for wisdom and justice too, and Taurus is associated with earthly pleasures like
passion, while Libra is more lovey love"
>
Miranda Myles pokes Courtney Chisolm in the ribs.
>
Siri Macallan chuckles.
>
Nina Perrson says, "my list already does that"
>
Angela Perez chuckles.
>
Nina Perrson grins.
>
Bryan Hit asks, "i'm a Capricorn. what one is taht on that white board?"
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Nina Perrson says, "magician"
>
Nina preens.  Someone's pleased with herself!
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Siri Macallan says, "I think you're right, Amanda."
>
Bryan Hit says, "weird. i'm nothing like that"
>
Rain Beringer says, "Im a capricorn but I dont think I am a magician"
>
Meda Fyre says, "Mine acutally fits"
>
Amanda Hunter says, "hmmm"
>
Bryan Hit says, "i think i'm more a caregiver than a magician"
>
Nina Perrson says, "i'm a capricorn and i think it fits a lot"
>
Nina Perrson says, "though my outward appearance may be fool"
>
Nina Perrson ducks her head.
>
Amanda Jackson says, "Virgo or Capricorn can be ruler too though"
>
Bryan Hit grins at Nina Perrson.
>
Siri Macallan says, "Remember, this is a really, really scaled down version of what the
psychological archetypes are."
>
Bryan Hit says, "okay"
>
Siri Macallan says, "If you want to dig into it in more detail, read Joseph Campell's Hero with
a Thousand Faces, or the Hero's Journey."
>
Irene Blackwell says, "Thanks, Siri."
>
Siri Macallan says, "Welcome."
>
Edward Gregor says, "thanks be to our hosts"
>
Siri Macallan smiles.
>
Nina Perrson says, "thanks, siri"
>
Hans Sarber grins.
>
Edward Gregor grins at Nina Perrson.
>
Donovan Quest says, "Thanks"
>
Siri Macallan says, "Have fun with this stuff."
>
Siri Macallan says, "That's what it's all about."
>
Irene Blackwell grins.
>
Jon Garfield says, "Neat"
>
Bryan Hit says, "i'm sure i will once i figure it all out"
>
Mike Tucker says, "thanks, Siri"