John,

Although I have been a pitiful correspondent over the past few months, and you probably have long since given up on me, I would like you to know that I have actually been reading and enjoying your mail, even when I have had questions about some of the material.

I have, of course, been working two (ostensibly full-time) jobs since March, and the pressure has become sufficient to keep me off the debate forum entirely, keep me from answering most of my (non-business) e-mail, and spend most of my spare time trying to remind my wife and children that I still exist (other than as a source of income).

Nonetheless, I have reread both Alien Agenda and Worlds in Collision over the last few months, in response to some of your earlier posts relating to zetatalk.com. If you don't object, given my long silence, I wonder if you'd consider two questions from these sources relating to the timing of the next passing of Nibiru.

1. In Alien Agenda, the greys supposedly told our government that a planet-like object would pass by our earth, causing tremendous damage, within SIXTY YEARS. The book was published in 1997. How did "within sixty years" become SIX years so quickly?

2. In Worlds in Collision, the problems with Venus and Mars (caused by Nibiru's last trip through the inner part of the solar system) took place around the time of the Exodus from Egypt. Most historians date the Exodus at around 1300 BC. Nibiru is supposed to take 3600 earth years to complete one solar revolution. If last time Nibiru was around was 3300 years ago, why is it turning up in 2003 rather than 300 years from now?

Some of your other posts prompted me to try to revive my long-ago contacts with survivalists in Montana, and especially with the people who showed me the energy system I described to you in a previous e-mail. As it turns out, this week's Economist has a lead article on the revolution in electrical generating facilities suggesting that my friend's work was only a few years ahead of his time. Very soon it should be possible to buy, commercially, electrical generating equipment capable of powering all possible equipment in a home at a reasonable price. You were thus right: you don't really need to meet any survivalists to have access to the technology you will need if Nibiru were, in fact, to turn up in 2003.

Gregory,

I am glad to hear from you again.......

But back to your questions. Going back a year or so, I was at a standstill. Sitchin's series of books made too much sense not to be mostly correct. On the other hand "The Pleiadian Mission" by Randolph Winters also made too much sense not to be mostly correct. Basically I am going on intuition about what feels right to me. Winters, or essentially Billy Meier's, description of the creation of the universe and the nature of "God" felt right to me. Here existed an "Intelligence" whose "core" was all encompassing love, something I had run into reading books about near death experiences by authors such as Dannion Brinkley and others, all of which report being welcomed (or actually turned back) by an incredibly loving presence! Comparing this "God" to the one of the old testament made me believe that I had been right all along in my distaste for that vengeful old creature. Basically my rejection of the Bible had a lot to do with a feeling, that if this is how "God" behaves, then I am taking my 'marbles' to the sidelines where I will deny your existence.

Pondering the discrepancies between the world of Sitchin and the world of Billy Meier as revealed in Winter's book, I tried to think about aliens as essentially as complicated as we ourselves are, if not more! Think how incredibly complex our societies are, we read in school about democratic ideals and we believe that is how our societies function. And then we discover that the truth is totally different! I wanted to allow the aliens the same type of "layers of truth" as we ourselves "enjoy".Looking for the synthesis between Sitchin and Meier/Winters, I ran into Lyssa Royal's website which provided the synthesis to my satisfaction. While exploring her websites I often ran into the "important" duality of Fear and Love as channeled info poured forth. Supposedly Fear is all that is holding us back from Love, and as we progress towards Love we automatically become less fearful (this is my interpretation of what I think I understand). In this process I started to harbor the suspicion that there were certain info that the aliens and especially the spiritworld withheld from us and found grounds for this suspicion at 'New Age' websites, where entities sometimes would not discuss certain 'truths' because this would tend to increase the Fear quota of our populations, thus tending to push us away from Love.

Basically I went on the assumption that there were certain "White Lies" being told to channel media if only through omissions of the whole truth. Especially I formed the opinion, that the "higher" in the spiritual hierarchy you were, the less inclined you were to dabble in some of the more unpleasant aspect of our material world. Which is understandable, from the Pleiadian's perspective, with their knowledge, why really care about the 'temporary cloaking' of our souls as the third millennium on our world starts! They know that the soul is indestructible and for them it is more important to increase the numbers of people that become loving human beings who at periodic intervals can be "harvested" according to certain concepts in the New Age community. If they would warn us about the coming cataclysm, they would in effect increase the numbers of fearful individuals and thus decrease the amount of Love in the world, which for them is a 'no-no..

Thus I was already primed for the Zeta site, where Nancy somewhere reveals just this aspect of the 'Higher-ups' mentality, confirming my suspicions! So it is very believable to me that 'The Good Zetas' would tend to say within 60 years when they really know quite well when Wormwood/Nibiru will come blasting through. Although the Zetas are of a lower density, they do not want to decrease the Love quota too much either, especially since they are here to essentially set up our new 'cloaking vehicles' for our soul's ascent to a higher density (well, some of us).

On the other hand, it would be totally in line with 'The Bad Zetas' motives to increase the fear quota since they then can reap more souls at the time of the division between Selfers and Others. And this is what I believe actually happened at the end of WWII, the 'bad Zetas' came hear first to screw around with our elites. And, boy, did they succeed. There are reports that gigantic underground bases have been build since 1945 as well as reports of a concentration of private underground shelters being built in, guess where, yes, in Washington D. C! Not to mention the creation of the whole space program in the 60's! All to make it possible for the elites to escape when the time came. And in the process they have snared themselves in lies, deceit and murder to such a degree that they cannot now turn around and reveal the 'truth'!

John,

One of the ironies of our correspondence is that, although I seem to be a doubter with respect to the 2003 date for Nibiru passing, I have assumed for years that some form of earth changes are likely in the relatively near future.

In the 1990s, Scientific American had more than one article on the likelihood that the West Antarctic Ice Shelf would fall into the ocean in our lifetimes (and possibly at any minute, per S.A.), with a concurrent rise in the oceans worldwide from 6 feet to 21 feet (depending on how much of the Ice Shelf fell into the ocean how quickly). Even a six-foot rise would pretty well wipe Florida off the map, for example, not to mention other coastal countries and cities. I assume that what will happen is that the Ice Shelf will fall into the ocean in pieces, with a "gradual" (20-year?) rise of a full 21 feet in the oceans. This vision of the future is actually reasonably harmonious with certain visions of Edgar Cayce and others (see The Great Pyramid Decoded). It would be much easier to guard against catastrophe in the Ice Shelf scenario than in the Nibiru scenario; in the first, all you'd need to do is move far enough inland so as not to get affected by the loss of coastal lands.

I am "pro-Pleiadian," as I have made clear before. I tend not to believe the Zetas because their reputation for truthfulness has been impugned by both the Pleiadians and the Venusians (see Other Tongues, Other Flesh).

Gregory,

I don't know if you are familiar with Ruth Montgomery. I myself learned of her existence only a few months ago. It seems she got involved in investigating the 'seance' community around 1960 and in the process she started channeling entities herself. She has written a series of books with channeled information out of which I have read two: The World Before (1976) and The World to Come (1999). In the last book she relates how her 'Guides' have prompted her over and over again to write one more book describing the 'Shift' that is to come. Montgomery for a long time didn't want to write the book since she hated being a messenger of bad news. Anyhow, she wrote it and basically the 'Shift' is a coming pole shift caused by icemasses falling into the seas just like you fear will happen according to your info. She thinks the 'Shift' will happen close to 2012, while earlier she thought it possible around 2000. The description of the effects of the poleshift is similar to what the Zetas describe, while the two camps differ on the cause of the cataclysm. Also, the 'Shift' inaugurates a new era on earth, where people will be able to communicate through extrasensory perception, not only with oneanother but also with many of those in the spirit realm. All this obviously fits well with the Zeta information.

Her 'Guides' of course also confirms the existence of aliens and these are some excerpts from the book:

"Yes, it is increasing constantly throughout the globe. The aliens are studying conditions and experimenting with animals and people in order to preserve the Earth's species on other planets and in other galaxies, because of the impending Shift. They literally mean no harm. They are trying to preserve the human race and species of animals, vegetation and other forms of life that would be extremely valuable to reintroduce into a stabilized Earth, or to other planets that can sustain those life forms."

"Many are aware of the upcoming Shift through their advanced instruments, and that has piqued their interest, just as Earthlings are stirred with excitement about the bombardment of Jupiter by remnants of a fragmented comet."

"The Guides assert that one method of rescue for physical survivors will be 'the lifting off by means of spaceships that will need to navigate around the Earth for several days during the turmoil of the Shift, until stability returns to the orbiting planet."

"Let us emphasize that this is not a wholesale evacuation project, but a careful selection of those who are deserving of perpetuation in bodily form or who have remarkable talents to contribute during the rebuilding of Earth's environs."

"During the coming golden age, while He reigns through love, peace will prevail on Earth, and all will live in harmony. As we see it from here, a selective process will be utilized to ensure that only those of goodwill are to be permitted access to the bodies of new babes, so that all vil ones will be prohibited from Earthly abode."

I of course see this book as total vindication of the Zeta's message. As far as the different triggers I tend to believe that a possible shelf of ice will be dumped into the oceans by the passing of Nibiru exactly as happened during 'The Great Flood' of 13,000 years ago.

When I first read The Great Pyramid Decoded my attention was drawn to a timechart describing the future according to the author. Vaguely I remembered a big drop of some sort so when I became fascinated with the Zeta world view, I located the book and timechart. It is called "Timechart of the Great Subterranean Chamber". Different 'quantities' are measured on the same chart but I am of course drawn towards the year 2003. One chart, "Progress of Material Humanity" takes a humongues drop straight down to the bottom around 2003, 2004; with a similar chart for "Basic State of Civilization". Another interesting chart is the "Soul-path" chart which shows a split-up of souls at the same time period, with some souls going straight up while others make a down ward detour. I don't see anything there to dissuade me from my pro-Zeta views. My juices are running low again, so I will come back to the Exodus later.

John,

I was familiar with Ruth Montgomery in the 1970s, although I haven't read her most recent book. (I'll look into it.)

Pole shifts don't necessarily imply to me what they imply to you. In the Bible story about the Battle of Jericho, the Sun rose in the sky, stopped for a few hours, then descended in another direction. The description, in my opinion, was of a Polar Shift. Yes, there must have been substantial earth tremors (the walls of the city collapsed), but MOST people survived. Similarly, while I accept Ruth Montgomery's statements about the likelihood of a Pole Shift in my lifetime, I don't foresee the kind of cataclysm which would certainly befall the Earth if, say, a comet hit it. What's more, when I first was made aware of Ms. Montgomery (I named my younger son Montgomery, by the way), I was also having "visions" with some regularity, and I always saw myself surviving the Shift (and I always saw the world dramatically improving after the Shift), so I have never been able to get TOO upset about it.

Ms. Montgomery has been fairly clear that she considers the Shift to toll the beginning of the Biblical Millenium (of peace, prosperity, and God's direct rule on Earth): as bad a transition as she can imagine, what comes afterwards is (supposedly) so good that the horrors of the transition don't seem quite so unacceptable. Her rap is not very different from the standard Protestant fundamentalist rap about the End of the World (which many fundamentalists are also expecting at any moment now).

A drop of the sort indicated in Great Pyramid Decoded would be caused by worldwide coastal inundations alone, without the need to postulate a radical reduction in world population at the same time. And the same timelines show Earth substantially recovering in a relatively short period of time, and going on to times even better than the 1990s. Would that happen if 90% of the Earth's population was gone? I don't know.

My biggest problem with the Zeta view doesn't even relate to whether or not Nibiru will be the catalyst of any changes that occur on Earth. It involves the emphasis on "physicality" and the need to prepare for what is to happen in some physical way. (Is there something I'm supposed to be able to do, in this physical plane, to reserve a seat on the flying saucer that will be saving selected people from the Nibiru disaster?) I personally believe that the work that is required to "survive" is actually spiritual rather than physical, and that if too much attention is paid to physical "survival," proper attention will not be paid to the more important tasks facing human beings in the next few years. As Jesus pointed out, the person who seeks only to preserve his life is the person most likely to lose it.

Gregory,

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I am fond of the Pleiadians myself but in my view they don't tell the whole truth. Nowhere in writings related to the Pleiadians is Nibiru mentioned. I might abandon certain of my conclusions in the face of persuasive evidence, but I don't think I ever will abandon my belief in the existence of Nibiru and the effects Nibiru has had on the development of our Earth through millennia. Sitchin's books started me on this "tour" and provide the whole framework for my evolving world view. I am sure the Pleiadians have a reason for not mentioning Nibiru and my best conclusion I already told you. I would be interested in your view about the Pleiadian omission regarding Nibiru since to me it is a very big 'strike' against the Pleiadians.

I have gradually become more and more disenchanted with the 'state of human knowledge'. It took me a decade to finally abandon any kind of belief in the veracity of what the 'Secret Government' provides as the truth of the day, and pretty soon after this I threw away my respect for the scientific establishment also. At one point in time the scholars of the day taught that the Earth was flat with very straight faces. Nowadays scholars tell us that the pressure of the continental plates over time creates the massive mountain formations on Earth. They also tell us that that the planets are kept stable in their orbits through an exact balance of gravity and centrifugal forces. And they tell us that an increase of exactly one degree F has caused the massive weather changes taking place around the world right now.

The timing of the Exodus to around 1300 BC from what I understand has been based on changes in styles of pottery where any style has been given a life of 50 years arbitrarily. What incredible accuracy! Charles Pelligrino in an enchanting book managed to nail down the destruction of Thera/Santorini to either 1627 or 1628 BC through relying on yearly rings in a California desert shrub. During years of total blackout of sunlight these rings differ greatly from normal years. I have total trust in Pelligrino's conclusions and very little in the conclusions of the scholars.

I might as well add that I have found at the Zeta site conclusions I myself had drawn before I found it. For instance, I pretty much concluded that the accidental death of John KennedyJr., a 'Secret Government' fiction whereafter I proceeded to find in my view credible evidence that he was cold-bloodedly murdered through a sabotaged plane. What I like about the Zetas is that they provide tangible stories of governmental corruption where the Pleiadians and other 'higher-ups' provide only general and vague evidence of such corruption. Regarding the murder of John Kennedy, Jr., please see this website:

http://www.skolnicksreport.com/goldenboy.html

Gregory,

< < Yes, there must have been substantial earth tremors (the walls of the city collapsed), but MOST people survived. Similarly, while I accept Ruth Montgomery's statements about the likelihood of a Pole Shift in my lifetime, I don't foresee the kind of cataclysm which would certainly befall the Earth if, say, a comet hit it > >

Let's assume that most people did survive the cataclysm when Nibiru passed last time. Did they also survive the first year after? Let's check what a contemporary account says:

[Finally, an excerpt from Velikovsky's "Ages in Chaos", pp 18-23, An Egyptian Eyewitness

The (Egyptian) papyrus containing the words of Ipuwer ... according to its first possessor, Anastasi, was found in the neighborhood of the pyramids of Saqqara. In 1909 the text was published by Alan H. Gardiner. The text points to the historical character of the situation. Egypt was in distress; the social system had become disorganized; violence filled the land. Invaders preyed upon the defenseless population; the rich were stripped of everything and slept in the open, and the poor took their possessions. ... Compare some passages from the Book of Exodus (with) the papyrus.

Papyrus 2:5-6 Plague is throughout the land. Blood is everywhere. 2:10 The river is blood. Exodus 7:21 There was blood throughout all the land of Egypt. 7:20 All the waters that were in the river were turned to blood. Papyrus 2:10 Men shrink from tasting .. and thirst after water. Exodus 7:24 And all the Egyptians digged round about the river for water to drink; for they could not drink of the water of the river. Payrus 2:8 Forsooth, the land turns round as does a potter's wheel. 2:11 The towns are destroyed. 7:4 The residence is destroyed in a minute. Papyrus 2:10 Forsooth, gates, columns and walls are consumed by fire. Exodus 9:23 The fire ran along the ground. There was hail, and fire mingled with the hail. Papyrus 4:14 Trees are destroyed. 6:1 No fruit or herbs are found. Exodus 9:25 And the hail smote every herb of the field, and brake every tree of the field. Papyrus 4:3 Forsooth, the children of princes are dashed against the walls. Exodus 12:27 (The Angel of the Lord) smote the Egyptians. Papyrus 9:11 The land is not light. Exodus 10:22 And there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt. There was no longer any royal power in Egypt. In the following weeks the cities turned into scenes of looting. Justice ceased to function. The catastrophe that rendered Egypt defenseless was a signal to the tribes of the Arabian desert. The Egyptians did not defend themselves. Papyrus 6:9 Forsooth, the laws of the judgment-hall are cast forth. Men walk upon them in the public places. 6:7 Forsooth, public offices are opened and their census-lists are taken away. 10:3 The storehouse of the king is the common property of everyone. 10:3-6 Lower Egypt weeps. The entire palace is without its revenues. To it belong (by right) wheat and barley, geese and fish. 14:11 There are none found to stand and protect themselves.

Pillagers completed the destruction, killing and raping. Ipuwer describes:

Papyrus Behold, noble ladies go hungry. Behold, he who slept without a wife through want finds precious things. He who passed the night in squalor (raised his head). She who looked at her face in the water is possessor of a mirror. Behold, no craftsmen work. A man strikes his brother, the son of his mother. Men sit behind bushes until the benighted (traveler) comes, in order to plunder his burden. Behold, one uses violence against another. If three men journey upon a road, they are found to be two men; the greater number slays the less. The land is as a weed that destroys men.] ////////////////

7:20 All the waters that were in the river were turned to blood. Papyrus 2:10 Men shrink from tasting .. and thirst after water. Exodus 7:24 And all the Egyptians digged round about the river for water to drink; for they could not drink of the water of the river.

How long would most people survive without drinkable water. This above excerpt describes exactly what the Zetas say regarding water after an encounter with Nibiru:

[After the cataclysms mankind's problems with his water supply will take a quantum leap. Water, from all sources, may be poisoned, with the old standby, rainwater, failing to provide potable water. During the pole shift volcanoes, old and new, will violently explode. The resulting ash will sift down from the upper atmosphere for decades, poisoning ground water. Humans driven to drink this gritty water will find more than grit between their teeth, they will find their nervous system beginning to fail them, their eye sight fading, and their digestive system intolerant of any food they may find. We are speaking here primarily of lead poisoning, which is not a problem man expects from the water nature provides. Lead settles and over eons settles down out of the way, but after a cataclysm the lead heavy mantle has been spewed out over the landscape, most of this vomit in the form of fine billowing dust.

Will the ground water not be safe? Depends. During the cataclysms the ground is heaved and jerked, and any wells or piping will be shattered. In that the ground water is as likely to carry poisons as the surface, having filtered down from the surface, what looks like pure water from underground may be, again, a slow death. Ground water also is subject to contact with the lead heavy mantle, which most often does not make it all the way to the surface during eruptions. If one cannot trust the usual water supply, what to do? Distillation processes or recycling water known to be pure are two approaches likely to provide a steady supply of water. This may seem tedious to those so used to taking fresh, pure water for granted, but those who prepare for the times ahead will not find themselves suddenly without one of life's necessities]

"Papyrus 4:14 Trees are destroyed. 6:1 No fruit or herbs are found. Exodus 9:25 And the hail smote every herb of the field, and brake every tree of the field."

This pretty much sounds like all fruits and grain were destroyed in the encounter. What did people eat after the encounter. Obviously some did survive, but your conclusion that most people survived is probably a bit optimistic. It is very likely that when ice masses at the poles are in danger of falling into the seas, the disaster at the time of Nibiru arriving is many magnitudes higher that when the ice masses are stable. I assume that the ice masses were stable last time since I haven't encountered tales of great flooding in stories of what happened then. However, this time you are proposing that the situation is similar to what it probably were at the time of The Great Flood of 13,000 years ago. I wouldn't lower my guard if I were you!

[I was also having "visions" with some regularity, and I always saw myself surviving the Shift (and I always saw the world dramatically improving after the Shift), so I have never been able to get TOO upset about it]

Actually, you might not have to worry on account of your past relations with aliens. I think you stand a good chance of being among those who win the lottery ticket of a free ride with a space ship with a view of the grandest event to happen in a few millennia. I just want you to notice the similarities of what Montgomery describes concerning the lucky ones that will get the ride and the account of the Zetas:

[What has been interpreted by Christian fundamentalists as the rapture and by some New Agers as salvation at the hands of their space brothers is what we have described as the lift, a temporary removal of those humans staunchly in the Service-to-Others orientation from the effects of the cataclysms. Hearing in this prophecy or that of this offer to be made to those in the Service-to-Others, the message quickly got skewed to include the listener. If the message was heard by a Christian fundamentalist while reading the Bible, then those to be saved during Armageddon were Christians. If the message was heard by humanitarian New Agers reading and interpreting ancient prophecies, then clearly this rescue at the dawn of a new age was the rescue of all of mankind by the wisdom and intervention of friendly aliens. At no time was the listener left behind. What in fact is to happen during the most terrible hour of that most terrible day?

Those staunchly in the Service-to-Other orientation are increasingly becoming contactees, whether aware of that status or not. The Transformation is more and more in the minds of those in the Service-to-Others, and thus the mass consciousness of those who think along like lines informs those humans who are not contactees of what the others are experiencing. It is a wake-up call. Thus alerted to momentous changes ahead, The Call is given and yet another Service-to-Other human has become a contactee.

The lift will be facilitated by what the Bible refers to as the mark of God, what the Oasphe referred to as a mark in the forehead, and what contactee support groups commonly refer to as an implant. Implants are simply locating devices that help visitors and their contactees come into contact quickly. The contactee may give mental directions, but there is nothing like a homing device to make contact fast. During the cataclysms, when the Earth's crust has shifted and stopped, a great many humans will need to be located and lifted, simultaneously. As we have stated, most in the Service-to-Others have declined this offer so as to be with their loved ones during the time of greatest need. But likewise, many have determined they can best serve by being whole to help pick up the pieces. A busy time, when implants long used to bring visitor and contactee together will be used as emergency devices]

Regarding your visions of surviving the cataclysm, I'd say they are probably true while I at the same time are quite suspicious of the 'upbeat' message they seem to convey. This seeems to me an indication that the source is 'up there' in the spiritual hierarchy with the usual desire to gloss over quite painful happenings for us regular folks!

[Ms. Montgomery has been fairly clear that she considers the Shift to toll the beginning of the Biblical Millennium (of peace, prosperity, and God's direct rule on Earth]

My understanding is that Ms. Montgomery and the Zetas are descri bing the same thing, i.e., "God" is not 'ruling' directly, instead a sprit of 'service to others' is present and a 'spirit entity' from the Christ density will be incarnated on Earth some time after we have entered the 4th density, see this excerpt from the World to Come:

[The Christ who will enter the body of the perfected soul in the next century is the segment of God that has entered only a few chosen mortals]

[A drop of the sort indicated in Great Pyramid Decoded would be caused by worldwide coastal inundations alone, without the need to postulate a radical reduction in world population at the same time. And the same timelines show Earth substantially recovering in a relatively short period of time, and going on to times even better than the 1990s. Would that happen if 90% of the Earth's population was gone? I don't know]

I will assume that you have looked at the same chart I have. You'll have to admit that the chart for material circumstances drops in a way that can be explained only by a major natural disaster. As far as I can see it stays at the rock bottom until around 2055, and does not reach the height it occupied before the cataclysm within the time span of the chart! And I very much doubt that coastal inundations could cause such a severe disaster, let's assume that coastal areas within 50 miles of the oceans get destroyed, that leaves the infrastructure of the rest of the world intact for future use with no damage whatsoever, except for disrupted communication systems. Isn't it intriguing though to find The Pyramid Decoded zeroing in on the same year the Zetas do?

Gregory

< < Yes, there must have been substantial earth tremors (the walls of the city collapsed), but MOST people survived. > >

Since you reread Worlds in Collision I was encouraged to do likewise, which meant I had to buy it from an out-of print bookstore. The rereading made me wonder if we read the same book, at least concerning the effects Nibiru had on the survival of human beings. Some examples:

1......page 55 of my book..........."The papyrus says that this fire almost exterminated mankind........with very few exceptions, all men died"

2......page 59............................."The rabbinical tradition........states that during the plague of darkness the vast majority of the Israelites perished and that only a small fraction of the original Israelite population of Egypt was spared to leave Egypt. Forty-nine out of every fifty Israelites are said to have perished in this plague."

3......page 63.....................and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there were not a house where there was not one dead............

Aside from those not very encouraging 'news', I found more depressing items.

1...."The presence of the hematoid (red) pigment in the rivers caused the death of fish followed by decomposition and smell. 'and the river stank' (Exodus 7:21 The skin of men and of animals was irritated by the dust, which caused boils, sickness and the death of cattle...........page 49

2......The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned..."yea, the world and all that dwell therein" The rivers steamed, and even the bottom of the sea boiled here and there. "The sea boiled, all the shores of the oceans boiled, all the middle of it boiled," says the 'Zend-Avesta.' The star Tistrya made the sea boil.............The tribes of British Columbia tell: "Great clouds appeared....such a great heat came, that finally the water boiled"..........On the North Pacific coast of America, the tribes insist that the oceans boiled: "It grew very hot....many animals jumped into the water...but the water began to boil."...(page 92)

3......."Thus we read: In Menin ( Flanders, Belgium) the peasants say, on seeing a comet: 'The sky is going to fall; the earth is turning over!' ... (page 120)

4......"The migration in Central Polynesia, shrouded in gloom, is narrated in the traditions of the aborigines of this part of the world about a chief named Te-erui who 'lived long in utter darkness in Avaiki,' who migrated in a canoe named 'Weary of Darkness' to find a land of light, and who, after many years of wandering, saw the sky clearing little by little and arrived at a region 'where they could see each other clearly!' Please compare "the twilights of the Gods" of the Nordic races with the Germanic "Gotterdammerung" and the Hebrew "shadow of death," all of which lasted for years after the conflagration according to diverse sources.

The only positive aspect I got from the book is that manna seem to have been raining from heaven pretty much everywhere and indeed from this ever occurring dark cloud that enveloped the world for years. Nothing grew for years but survivors maybe managed to feed themselves with this manna!

John,

I've got to give it to you, you are breaking all hertofore known records. On a scale of 1-10 (1 being the least) I think I have to give you a 10 in crazyness! The chapters of the book which deal with the CIA and its involvement in murder and sales of drugs I find credible. A lot of information points to the truth of those allegations. Unfortunately! When you leave these subjects to describe yours and your friends research in myths, etc., you leave me astonished and incredulous, how can you so easily 'swallow camels and strain mosquitoes? How can a planet support life when the temperature must be minus 459 Fduring the whole orbit before it enters our solar system? How can life thrive without sunlight?

That's only the beginning of my objections. Give me an answer to those and I'll come back with more !

Robert,

I had a feeling that I wouldn't come off as quite sane, but a 10, come on, it can't be that bad!

Let's make an experiment and see how far you will follow me in different areas. My oldest kid, Jason, was studying Sumerian history the other year in school. He happened to check over my shoulder as I was writing about Enlil and Enki, the leaders of the Anunnaki in Sumeria. He then proceeded to tell me that they were dealing with the same names in school, Enlil and Enki being the Gods of the Sumerians according to school curricula. So I assume we can nail down the existence of something that caused this knowledge to come into being, and obviously the source is the clay tablets found in and around the Middle East! Here I yield to Zecharia Sitchin himself:

"CL: Might people read your books and say, well, he's doing a lot of presuming. He's got fragments of tablets, and pieces of cuneiform, and he's put many liberties in piecing together the stories?

ZS: There are several different answers to that. The best answer is what I brought out in Genesis Revisited. The knowledge that we have acquired corroborates what the Sumerians knew six thousand years ago. You wonder how is it possible, how could they know? How, as another example, could their symbol of the entwined serpents, that we still use today to denote medicine and healing and biology, be 6,000 years ago, the symbol of Enki, who engaged in genetic engineering to bring about the Adam? That was a symbol of the DNA, the double helix of DNA.

How could they know without telescopes and spacecraft that Neptune is a watery planet? They provided the answer by saying "All that we know we have learned from the Anunnaki. So, you say, "Ok. There were Anunnaki." Now, who were the Anunnaki and where were they from? The Sumerians say, "They came here from Nibiru." And you say, "What is Nibiru?" So they say, "It is one more planet in our solar system." Now, if you say, "I'm really impressed by the Sumerian knowledge, and, maybe they knew what they were talking about regarding the Anunnaki. But I don't think there is another planet with these advanced beings on it near Earth." If so, what is your explanation of who Anunnaki were? Was there really a race of giants who existed on Earth half a million years ago? Do you believe there was a civilization on Earth half a million years ago that surpassed our own and disappeared? When the focus shifts to explaining those other people, you have no explanation. I then say, if you have no explanation, why not accept the word of the Sumerians?

The second aspect of the answer is this. Nowhere in all these books do I use a text, or do I refer to a tablet and say, I went to this or that place in the Near East and as I was visiting that place, I shifted the soil with my foot or with a stick and look what I found! I found this tablet and look what it says! It says that there was somebody called Enki who travelled from Nibiru to Earth and splashed down in the Persian Gulf. No, nowhere do I say, "Look what I found." All the time I say, "There is a tablet in the British Museum, its catalog number is such and such; it was discovered in this and this place; the text was first published by this and this scholar, here is what it says." All the information, all the sources that I am giving, are academically, scientifically, scholarly known and accepted sources. At no time do I invent my own source.

CL: Just in The Wars of God and Men, the sources you list take up almost 16 pages!

ZS: The difference is, and this is the key difference, that when there is a text, for example, that describes how Enki came to Earth and splashed down, the scholars, the text books, call this the "Myth of Enki and the Earth." Another text that deals with Enlil is called the "Myth of Enlil" and whatever the subject is. All these texts are called by scholars "mythology." I say: What if this is not a myth, what if these texts tell us what really took place?"

Let's go to the ancient 'feeling" that comets are harbingers of "bad news!" Here is an excerpt from an e-mail to Gregory of one year ago:

"Here are some notes I took while reading "Worlds in Collision":

1……Aristocles said that Zeus hid the unborn Athena (Venus) in a cloud and then split it open with lightning.

2……Iliad….it is said that Pallas Athena (Venus) "darted down to earth a gleaming star" with sparks springing from it.

3……Hevelius: In the year of the world 2453 (1495 B.C.), a comet was seen in the form of a disc during Exodus.

4……Rochenbach: In the year of the world 2453, a comet appeared. It was fiery, of irregular circular form, with a wrapped head; it was in the shape of a globe and was of terrible aspect.

5……Other writers: It is depicted as an immense globe (globus immodicus) of fire, also as a sickle, which is a depiction of a globe illuminated by the sun, and close enough to be observed thus. Its movement was slow, its path was close to the sun. Its color was bloody: " it was not of fiery, but of bloody redness." It caused destruction in "rising and setting" . Servius writes that this comet caused many plagues, evils and hunger.

6…….Campester; …was sure that should the comet Typhoon again meet the earth, a four day en- counter would suffice to destroy the world.

7…….Pliny: A terrible comet was seen by the people of Egypt, to which Typhoon, the king of Egypt, gave his name. It had a fiery appearance and was twisted like a coil, and it was very grim to behold: it was not really a star so much as might be called a ball of fire.

8……Pythagoreans say that the comet is one of the planets, but that it appears at great interval of time and only rises a little above the horizon. (Pythagoras is generally credited with having access to some secret science."

What do you think, could this event maybe be the reason people associate comets with bad tidings?

Let's jump to the question of whether aliens exist, here is an excerpt from a week old article I found:

"In his book, written with Bruce Henderson, Gordon Cooper tells how he saw his first UFO over Europe in 1951. An Air Force pilot in West Germany, Cooper and his squadron mates were scrambled in their F-86 Sabre jets to intercept what appeared to be several metallic silver and saucer-shaped craft.

Cooper also describes an incident at Edwards Air Force Base, California, in which he once looked at film of a crashed UFO in the American Southwest taken in the late 1950s. That film, he writes, was whisked away to the Pentagon never to be seen or heard of again.

Throughout the book, the former astronaut argues for the government to open up its files and come clean about alien visitations"

Do you think it possible that Gordon Cooper would lie about this in order to make sure his book sells well?

And then let's go to the "near death" experiences described by among others Raymond A. Moody, Jr., MD As a young physician in training, he became fascinated with a few stories of near death experiences and noticed the similarities between them. Over a period of some years he gathered hundreds of accounts and published his findings in his book "Life After Life" (Mockingbird Books, 1975):

"A man is dying and, as he reaches the point of greatest physical distress, he hears himself pronounced dead by his doctor. He begins to hear an uncomfortable noise and a loud ringing and buzzing, and at the same time feels himself moving very rapidly through a long, dark tunnel. After this, he suddenly feels himself outside of his own physical body, but still in the immediate physical environment, and he sees his own body from a distance, as though he is a spectator. He watches the resuscitation attempts from this unusual vantage point and is in a state of emotional upheaval.

After a while, he collects himself and becomes more accustomed to his odd condition, He notices that he still has a "body," but of a very different nature and with very different powers from the physical body he has left behind. Soon after things begin to happen. Others come to meet and to help him. he glimpses the spirits of relatives and friends who have already died, and a loving warm spirit of a kind he has never encountered before-a being of light-appears before him. This being asks him a question, nonverbally, to make him evaluate his life, and helps him along by showing him a panoramic, instantaneous playback of the major events of his life. At some point he finds himself approaching some sort of barrier or border, apparently representing the limit between earthly life and the next life. Yet, he finds that he must go back to the earth, that the time for his death has not yet come. At this point he resists for by now he is taken up with his experiences in the afterlife and does not want to return. He is overwhelmed by intense feelings of joy, love, and peace. Despite his attitude, though, he somehow reunites with his physical body and lives. Later he tries to tell others, but he has trouble doing so. In the first place, he can find no human words adequately to describe these unearthly episodes. He also finds hat others scoff, so he stops telling other people. Still, the experience affects his life profoundly, especially his views about death and its relationship to life."

I must have read ten books about near death experiences by totally unrelated common people. Every one of them, and I mean everyone, relate the same basic experience as described above.

Do you think it possible that all these unrelated people have come up with the same type of deception to make a buck publishing their books? Personally I believe them all honest. I also believe that human intelligence is very limited compared to what exists out there. Imagine the intelligence of 'whoever' put together all our physical worlds for instance, according to scientific and spiritual laws we are just becoming dimly aware of. The common 'greys' probably intellectually relates to us human beings as we parents do to our newborn babies. Once we believed that the earth was flat! What makes us now believe we have all the most up to date answers about our physical world? Even I can discern some fallacies that are mindblowingly obvious!

Here is the Zeta's explanation for the livability of Nibiru:

"ZetaTalk: 12th Planet Glow

Humans are aware of heat and light being produced together - fire, the Sun, and elements heated until they glow. Humans are also aware of light being produced without heat, as with fireflies or minerals that are phosphorescent. And of course, there is heat without light, close at hand as in 98.6 degrees. The 12th Planet has both heat and light, generated from within its core. Life on the 12th Planet, which is inhabited by a large hominoid indistinguishable from humans other than by its size, experiences continuous day. Life that has evolved there does not sleep, but rests. The light is diffused in the atmosphere, and returns to the land surface, but emerges from the core to interact with the atmosphere only via the surface of the deep oceans, which cover the majority of the planet's surface. You may equate this to volcanic activity, where the Earth has numerous places both above ground and under the oceans that ooze molten lava. Just so the 12th Planet has places where the molten and churning substance in its core escapes to the surface.

Fires such as go on in the center of suns do not only proceed full bore. Why would they? Do you not have a fire within you that is maintained at a steady temperature? Do you not find that the fire in your fireplace can be slowed by adjusting the damper? Humans do not understand what is occurring within the Sun, a combustion of sorts that ignited because of the pressure of elements following the big bang, during the congealing period. The Sun was not born, lit. It lit as compression continued to the point where a product of subatomic particle collision did not dissipate, but accumulated, and the degradation of this substance is what you are viewing and feeling in your sunlight. This is a simplistic explanation for a complicated process. The 12th Planet has a similar process ongoing within its core, but being composed of heavier substances than your Sun, this process is slowed. You can equate this to mixing medicine into food, rather than taking it directly. This is tolerated because the incident or rate of medicine reacting with a taste bud is reduced, or slowed.

On the 12th Planet, the heat released diffuses in all directions, so the surface of the planet is warm but not hot. Your feet would not blister, but they may feel cool in places where the rock strata do not provide a good passage for heat, should you visit that planet. Light only escapes the core where what is essentially volcanic activity under the water occurs. Of course, this would occur if there was volcanic activity on the land surface of the planet, but there is little land surface, and this long ago hardened. Volcanic activity would not be on the surface of the Earth, either, should her proportion of water to land be increased. Water is pooling in the low spots, and the low spots have less hardened surface mantle as a barrier. Thin places break, and give release to the pressure from the churning molten core. The oceans of the 12th Planet, therefore, have places where diffused light is rising, and other places where the oceans would appear to you much as your own do here on Earth."

And no, Atlantis sank in what is now the Atlantic Ocean. If nothing else, just compare the names! And the maps discovered in Turkey by Pireus Reis were probably made by the Anunnaki some thousand of years ago before our present poles were established!

Robert,

I agree that there are certainly in this world people that have "weird" ideas not worth taking seriously. I myself used to think that these unusual near death experiences had to be caused by some kind of death reaction in the brain, in order to make death somehow a less painful experience. That was before my 'investigation' of books relating near death experiences. As one example I'll mention a book by Dannion Brinkley called "Saved by the Light" which details his 'death' and experiences beyond our regular world. Not only was he met by a loving being of light but he followed this being to other planes of existence where he among other things encountered a crystal city and a shimmering lecture hall where he was gifted with over hundred predictions about what was going to happen over a certain span of time.

[He then was told his purpose on earth: "You are to engage your system by changing people's thought processes. Show people how to rely on their spiritual selves. Religion is fine, but don't let people be entirely controlled by it. Humans are mighty spiritual beings. All they need to realize is that love is treating others the way they themselves want to be treated." Then the Being let me know what I was supposed to do back on earth. I was to create centers where people could come to reduce stress in their lives. Through this reduction of stress, said the Being, humans would come to realize, "as we do," that they are higher spiritual beings. They would become less fearful and more loving of their fellow man.]

Brinkley had before his 'death' in a freak phone accident (he was holding a phone when lighting followed the lines into his bedroom) developed into a very unsympathetic character. He had singlehandely killed more than 50 North Vietnamese soldiers when he failed to find an opportunity to kill only his assigned target. Instead he blew up the house where his target lived, killing all the others in the process. He survived his 'death' and, badly burned, sitting in a wheelchair, spent the rest of his life trying to fulfill his 'given' assignment, which he succeeded to do to a certain extent.

I won't bother you with any 'evidence' that a 'creator something' exists since I myself have leftover resistance to the concept. But I will point out that when you read my last missive, you encountered proof that something soul-like exists in the phrase...........He notices that he still has a "body," but of a very different nature and with very different powers from the physical body he has left behind..........This 'soulbody' has amazing powers. It can move itself where-ever it wants just by thinking about a certain place. Think about it and you are there. Regular human beings can learn to disassociate their 'souls' from their physical bodies. I can supply you with names of books describing these experiences, but would like to encourage you to read Shirley MacLaine's series of books on metaphysical subjects instead.( Out On a Limb, Dancing in the Light and Camino). If nothing else you'll encounter a disguised affair with Olof Palme in the first book. In the last one she reveals that it was indeed Olof Palme.

I hope the Discovery program about the moon related the scientific fact that the moon is actually about 500 million years older than our own earth. If it didn't, please tell me, and I'll try to find this evidence for you.

When I wrote my e-mails to Gregory, I was still in a flux about how to think about certain things. Among other theories I included Robert Morning Sky's idea of Nibiru being a 'planet-platform' that was maneuverable. I have long since discarded that theory but wanted to include pretty much my whole exchange with Gregory since I thought it would be easier for "anyperson" to follow my 'development' in thinking. That is the whole reason I included all the murders in the first chapters. I thought I needed to show readers why it became impossible for me to have respect for "established" thinking, especially the world view propagated by authorities. In the same process I was freed up to consider unusual experiences that regular human beings have had in their lives. If a bunch of them say the same things, I am pretty certain that 'Salandrias Law' prove their tales true.

You might have misunderstood the source of heat and light on Nibiru. The source is supposedly its molten churning core. Our earth has the same source of energy. In Iceland for instance they have warm water springs that are heated by molten lava just below the surface. All volcanoes are other examples. In addition to the same processes our earth exhibits, supposedly Nibiru has a light producing process in its core, reacting at such a speed that it is stable. How this works I have no idea. All I can say is that I don't believe our scientists have found the only two sources of energy release, fission and fusion! I believe there are countless more ways of gaining energy, especially since our material world consists of nothing but energy bound up in atomic structures!

You mention your conclusion that unusual experiences happen only to those who already are believers. First of course I might object that Dannion Brinkley for instance certainly was not a religious person before he encountered and interacted with Beings not of our physical world. Others have like him had these near death encounters with 'beings of light' without before having subscribed to religious beliefs. And the same goes for encounters with ghosts and UFO's I am certain. In the literature of UFO encounters very few people believed in UFO's before they were 'abducted.' They became 'believers' through their experiences.

But I'll tell you what conclusions I have reached over the years. My first inkling of something not quite right for myself was realizing over a series of years that it was not very satisfactory to deny everything that wouldn't conform with my scientific world view. Deny, deny, deny. It didn't give me a positive emotion, but a negative one. I always thought that 'believers' could lead more satisfying emotional lives because of their unfortunate gullibility. Then a small thought crept up on me: Maybe it was necessary to at least have an open mind before these unusual experiences would manifest in a person's life, and that is where I am today. If you actively reject the possibility of something, it is probably a 'Spiritual Law' that it won't happen to you. At least I think this true about metaphysical 'stuff,' probably not about UFO's!

I am glad you are open to the wisdom of the ancient Sumerian people but would suggest that you first read "Worlds in Collision" by Immanuel Velikovsky if for no other reason than that I value his work if possible even higher than that of Sitchin's. You can probably find it in your library and if not you can buy it from the out-of-print section of barnesandnobles.com.

Robert,

This is an excerpt from Jim Marrs Alien Agenda. I think you will find it as interesting as the Discovery program about the moon you saw. Sorry about the abundance of apostrophes. I had to use our scanner and don't understand why they pop up or what to do to get rid of them.

"THE", "GREATEST", "UFO?",

"One particularly bright, circular object has been observed moving," "through Earth skies since the beginning of human history. Every per-," "son on the planet has seen this object. We call it the moon", " Although this object is identified--at least we have a name for it" "and we know it's there--the moon cannot be hastily disqualified as a", "UFO. Despite six visits by U.S. astronauts between 1969 and 1972, the", "moon remains a riddle to scientists in many regards. The solutions to", "these riddles could indicate an alien aspect of our familiar moon.", " Before the Apollo missions, lunar scientists longed for the time" "when humans could walk on the moon's surface. By studying the", "makeup of our satellite, they hoped to resolve some of the mysteries", "of how our planet ant solar system came into existence. Well known", "Space expert and the first chairman of the National Aeronautics and", "Space Administration's (NASA) Lunar Exploration Committee Dr.", "Robert Jastrow has stated, "The moon is the Rosetta stone of the", "planets."", " Six moon landings later, the public perception was that we had" "learned all we needed to about the moon. However, those same lunar", "scientists were no closer an agreement on how to answer even the most", "basic questions, such as how the moon was created. Despite the", "return of some 842 pounds of rocks and soil samples, photos and", "videotape, and the placement of five nuclear-powered scientific sta-", "tions on the lunar surface, there are still no clear-cut solutions to the "moon's mysteries.", " Quite the reverse: what we have learned about the moon in the" "wake of the Apollo missions has only raised more questions. Science", "writer Earl Ubell declared, "The lunar Rosetta stone remains a mys-", "tery. The moon is more complicated than anyone expected; it is not", "simply a kind of billiard ball frozen in space and time, as many scien-", "tists had believed. Few of the fudamental questions have been", "answered, but the Apollo rocks and recordings have spawned a score of", "mysteries, a few truly breath-stopping."", " Consider some of these "breath-stopping" mysteries, or anoma-" "lies, as scientists prefer to call them:",

" The moon is far older than previously imagined, perhaps even" "much older than the earth and sun. By examining tracks burned into", "moon rocks by cosmic rays, scientists have dated them as billions of", years old. Some have been dated back 4.5 billion years, far older than", "the earth and "nearly as old as the solar system," according to Jastrow.", "The oldest rocks ever found on Earth only date back 3.5 billion years.", "It is accepted by scientists today that the earth is abont 4.6 billion years old. Harvard's respected astronomy journal, Sky and Telescope, reported that at the Lunar Conference of 1973, it was revealed that one moon rock was dated at 5.3 billion years old, which would make it almost a "billion years older than our planet. This puzzle was compounded by", "the fact that the lunar dust in which the rocks were found proved to be", "a billion years older than the rocks themselves. Chemical analysis", "showed that the moon rocks were of a completely different composi-", "tion from the soil around them. Since dusty soil is usually produced by", "the weathering and breakup of surrounding rocks, the lunar rocks", "must have come from someplace other than where they were found.", "But where?",

" The moon has at least three distinct layers of rocks. Contrary to" "the idea that heavier objects sink, the heavier rocks are found on the", "surface. Stated Don Wilson, "The abundance of refractory elements", "like titanium in the surface areas is so pronounced that several geo-", "chemists proposed that refractory compounds were brought to the moon's surface in great quantity in some unknown way. They don't", "know how, but that it was done cannot be questioned. These rich", "materials that are usually concentrated in the interior of a world are", "now on the outside." Ubell, a former science editor for CBS television,", "acknowledged this mystery., saying, "Thc first [layer], 20 miles deep,", "consists of lavalike material similar to lava flows on Earth. The second, "extending down to 50 miles, is made up of somewhat denser rock. The", "third, continuing to a depth of at least 80 miles and probably below,", "appears to be of a heavy material similar to the Earth's mantle .... "", "Ubell asked, "If the Earth and moon were created at the same time,", "near each other, why has one body got all the iron and the other Ithe", "moon] not much? The differences suggest that Earth and moon came", "into being far from each other, an idea that stumbles over the inability "of astro-physicists to explain how exactly the moon became a satellite", "of thc Earth."",

" The moon is extremely dry and does not appear to have ever" "had water in any substantial amounts. None of the moon rocks,", "regardless of location found, contained free water or even water", "molecules bound into the minerals. Yet instruments left behind by", "Apollo missions sent a signal to Earth on March 7, 1971, indicating a", ""wind" of water had crossed the moon's surface. Since any water on the", "airless moon surface vaporizes and behaves like the wind on Earth, the", "question became, where did this water originate? The vapor cloud", "eruptions lasted fourteen hours and covered an area of some one hun-", "dred square miles, prompting Rice University physicists Dr. John Free-", "man Jr. and Dr. H. Ken Hills to pronounce the event one of"the most", "exciting discoveries yet" indicating water within the moon. The two", "physicists claimed the water vapor came from deep inside the moon,", "apparently released during a moonqua ke. NASA officials offered a", "more mundane, and questionable, explanation. They speculated that", "two tanks on Apollo descent stages containing between sixty and one", "hundred pounds of water became stressed and ruptured, releasing their", "contents. Freeman and Hills declined to accept this explanation, point-", "ing out that the two tanks--from Apollo 12 and 14--were some 180", "kilometers apart, yet the water vapor was detected with the same flux", "at both sites, although the instruments faced in opposite directions.", "Skeptics also have understandably questioned the odds of two separate", "tanks breaking simultaneously and how such a small quantity of water", "could produce a hundred square miles of vapor. Additionally, Apollo 16", "astronauts found moon rocks that contained bits of rusted iron. Since", "oxidation requires oxygen and free hydrogen, this rust indicates there", "must be water somewhere on the moon.", " Moon rocks were found to be magnetized--not strong enough" "to pick up a paper clip, but magnetic nevertheless. What makes this so", "odd is that there is no magnetic field on the moon itself. So where did", "the magnetism come from? The argument that perhaps the moon", "picked up its magnetism fron close contact with the earth collapses", "when one considers that if the moon got close enough to pick up a", "magnetic field, it was close enough to be ripped apart by the earth's", "gravitational pull.",

" The presence of maria, or large seas of smooth, solidified" "molten rock on the moon indicates nothing less than a vast outpour-", "ing of lava at some distant time. It has now been confirmed that some", "of the moon's craters are of internal origin. Yet there is no indication", "that the moon has ever been hot enough to produce volcanic erup-", "tions. Stated Ubell, "The relative cool of the lunar interior (about", "1,800 degree Fahrenheit as compared with the Earth's interior temper-", "ature of between 3,600 and 9,000 degrees) suggests that the moon was", "pretty cool to begin with and that the interior contains less radioactivity than the Earth or the surface of the moon." Jastrow tried to explain this conundrum by stating that the moon was volcanically active some billions of years ago but, being a small world, rapidly lost its heat. "Those ancient lava flows look as though they had happened yesterday" he", "wrote. "This fact misled the hot-moon scientists into believing that", "the moon had been volcanically active during much of its history "There are certain areas of the moon that remain "hot" during both", "eclipse and daytime conditions, indicating internal heat. Another puzzle", "is that almost all--four-fifths-----of the maria are located on the moon's "earthside hemisphere. Few maria mark the far side of the moon, often", "erroneously referred to as the "dark side." Yet the far side contains", "many more craters and mountainous areas. In comparison to the rest", "of the moon, the maria are relatively free of craters, suggesting that", "craters were covered bv lava flow. Adding to this mystery are the mas-", "cons--large, dense, circular masses lying twenty to forty miles below", "the center of the moon's maria. The mascons were discovered because", "their density distorted thc orbits of our spacecraft flying over or near", "them. One scientist proposed that the mascons are heavy iron mete-", "orites that plunged deep into the moon while it was in a soft, formable", "stage. This theory has been discounted, since meteorites strike with", "such high velocities, they would vaporize on contact. Another mun-", "dane explanation is that the mascons are nothing more than lava-filled", "caverns, but skeptics say there isn't enough lava present to accomplish", "this. Since the maria appear to have been formed by hot lava, why did", "these heavy mascons not sink to the bottom? "What they are is a major",

"moon mystery," wrote Wilson. "It now appears that the mascons are", "broad disk-shaped objects that could be possibly some kind of artificial", "construction. For huge circular disks are not likely to be beneath each", "huge maria, centered like bull's-eyes in the middle of each, by coinci-", "dence or accident."",

" During the Apollo missions seismographic equipment was" "placed at six separate sites on the moon. Between 1969 and 1977, when", "this equipment ceased operating, up to three thousand "moonquakes", "were detected during each year of operation. Most of the vibrations", "were quite small and were caused by meteorite strikes or falling", "booster rockets. But many other quakes were detected deep inside the", "moon. This internal creaking is believed to be caused by the gravita-", "tional pull of our planet, as most moonquakes occur when the moon is", "closest to the earth. However, an event occurred in 1958 in the moon's", "Alphonsus crater that shook the idea that all internal moonquake activ-", "iy was simply settling rocks. In November of that year, Soviet", "astronomer Nikolay A. Kozyrev of the Crimean astrophysical Obser-", "vatory set the scientific world on its ear by photographing the first", "recorded gaseous eruption on the moon near the crater's peak.", "Kozyrev attributed this to escaping fluorescent gases. He also detected", "a reddish glow characteristic of carbon compounds, which "seemed to", "move and disappeared after an hour." Some scientists refused to accept", "Kozvrev's findings. However, astronomers at the Lowell Observatory "also saw reddish glows on the crests of ridges in the Aristarchus region", "in 1963. Days later colored lights lasting more than an hour were", "reported at two separate observatories. Something was going on inside", "thc volcanically dead moon. And whatever it is, it occurs the same way", "at the same time. As the moon moves closer to the earth, seismic sig-", "nals from different stations on the lunar surface detect identical vibra "tions. Could internal shifting inside the moon always occur the exact", "same way? Hardly likely. New York Times writer Walter Sullivan", "wrote, "It is as though the ups and downs of the stock market", "repeated themselves precisely for each period of fluctuation." The", "question of identical vibrations prompted Wilson to conclude that", ""it is hard to understand how this could be a natural phenomenon.", "However, something artificially constructed could produce the same", "identical seismic result, which could occur over and over." For exam-", "ple, a broken hull plate could shift exactly the same way each time the", "moon passed near the earth.",

" There are many indications that the moon may be hollow. The" "mooo's mean density--about 3.34 grants per cubic centimeter, or 3.34",

"times as much as an equal volume of water is significantly different", "from the 5.5 gram density of the earth's mantle. Studies of moon rocks", "indicate that the moon's interior differs from the earth's mantle in ways "suggesting a very small, or even no, core. As far back as 1962, NASA sci "entist Dr. Gordon MacDonald stated, "If the astronomical data are", "reduced, it is found that the data require that the interior of the moon be", "less dense than the outer parts. Indeed, it would seem that the moon is", "more like a hollow than a homogeneous sphere." Unwilling to believe", "the moon hollow, MacDonald believed his data may have been faulty.", "However, other studies tended to confirm his findings. Nobel chemist", "Dr. Harold Urey has suggested that the density question may be", "answered by what he termed "negative mascons," or large areas inside", "the moon where "there is either matter much less dense than the rest of", "the moon or simply a cavity." MIT's Dr. Sean C. Solomon wrote, "The", "Lunar Orbiter experiments vastly improved our knowledge of the", "moon's gravitational field.., indicating the frightening possibility that", "the moon might be hollow." Why frightening? The significance was", "stated by astronomer Carl Sagan way back in his 1966 work Intelligent "Life in the Universe: "A natural satellite cannot be a hollow object."",

" The most startling evidence that the moon could be hollow" "came on November 20, 1969, when the Apollo 12 crew, after returning", "to their command ship, sent the lunar module (LM) ascent stage", "crashing back onto the moon, creating an artificial moonquake. The", "LM struck the surface about forty miles from the Apolo 12 landing", "site, where ultrasensitive seismic equipment recorded something both", "unexpected and astounding--the moon reverberated like a bell for", "more than an hour.The vibration wave took almost eight minutes to", "reach a peak, then decreased in intensity. At a news conference that", "day, one of the codirectors of the seismic experiment, Maurice Ewing,", "told reporters scientists were at a loss to explain the ringing. "As for", "the meaning of it, I'd rather not make an interpretation right now. But", "it is as though someone had struck a bell, say, in the belfry of a church", "a single blow and found that the reverberation from it continued for", "30 minutes." Dr. Frank Press of MIT added, "None of us have seen", "anything like this on Earth. In all our experience, it is quite an extraor-", "dinary event. That this rather small impact ... produced a signal", "which lasted 30 minutes is quite beyond the range of our experience."", "Later it was established that small vibrations had continued on the", "moon for more than an hour. Dr. Press later attempted to explain the", "phenomenon by saying the LM crash may have set off a " cascade of", "avalanches and collapses over a very large area." However, this idea", "failed to explain why the seismic data showed long, sustained readings", "following the impact. The phenomenon was repeated when the Apollo", "13's third stage was sent crashing onto the moon by radio command,", "striking with the equivalent of eleven tons of TNT. According to", "NASA, this time the moon "reacted like a gong." Although seismic", "equipment was more than 108 miles from the crash site, recordings", "showed reverberations lasted for three hours and twenty minutes and", "traveled to a depth of twenty-two to twenty-five miles. Subsequent", "studies of man-made crashes on the moon yielded similar results. After", "one impact the moon reverberated for four hours. This ringing cou-", "pled with the density problem on the moon led some to conclude the", "moon may have an unusually light or even no--core. They hoped to", "record the impact of a meteor large enough to send shock waves to the", "moon's core and back and settle the issue. That opportunity came on", "May 13, 1972, when a large meteor stuck the moon with the equiva-", "lent force of two hundred tons of TNT. After sending shock waves", "deep into the interior of the moon, scientists were baffled to find that", "none returned, confirming that there is something unusual about the", "moon's core. According to author Wilson, one NASA scientist has", "admitted that the U.S. government has conducted experiments "which", "were not publicly announced" to determine if the moon is hollow or", "contains large cavities. Dr. Farouk El Baz was quoted as saying,", ""There are many undiscovered caverns suspected to exist beneath the", "surface of the moon. Several experiments have been flown to the moon", "to see if there actually were such caverns." The results of these experi "ments have not been made public.",

" It seems apparent that the moon has a tough, hard outer shell" "and a light or nonexistent interior. The moon's shell contains dark", "minerals such as titanium, used on Earth in the construction of aircraft", "and space vehicles. Many people still recall watching our astronauts on", "TV as they vainly tried to drill through the crust of a moon maria.", "Their specially designed drills could penetrate only a few inches. The", "puzzle of the moon's hard surface was compounded by the discovery of", "what appeared to be processed metals. Experts were surprised to find", "lunar rocks bearing brass, mica, and amphibole in addition to the near-", "pure titanium. They conclude it is the large amount of titanium in the", "black mineral illeminite that gives the dark tone to the lunar seas. Ura "nium 236 and neptunium 237--elements not previously found in", "nature--were discovered in moon rocks, according to the Argone", "National Laboratory. While still trying to explain the presence of", "these materials, scientists were further startled to learn of rustproof", "iron particles in a soil sample from the Sea of Crisis. In 1976, the", "Associated Press reported that the Soviets had announced the discov-",

"ery of iron particles that "do not rust" in samples brought back by an", "unmanned moon mission in 1970. Iron that does not rust is unkmown", "in nature and well beyond present earth technology.

" Undoubtedly the greatest mystery concerning our moon is how" "it came to be there in the first place. Prior to the Apollo missions, one "serious theory as to the moon's origin was that it broke off of the earth "eons ago, although no one could positively locate where on Earth it", "originated. This idea was discarded when it was found that there is lit-", "tle similarity between the composition of our world and the moon. A", "more recent theory had the moon created out of space debris left over", "from the creation of the earth. This concept proved untenable in light", "of current gravitational theory, which indicates that one large object", "will accumulate all loose material, leaving none for the formation of", "another large body. It is now generally accepted that the moon origi-", "nated elsewhere and entered the earth's gravitational field at some", "point in the distant past. Here theories diverge--one stating that the", "moon was originally a planet that collided with the earth, creating", "debris that combined to form the moon, while another states that the", "moon, while wandering through our solar system, was captured and", "pulled into orbit by Earth's gravity. Neither of these theories is espe-", "cially compelling because of the lack of evidence that either the earth", "or the moon has been physically disrupted by a past close encounter.", "There is no debris in space indicating a past collision, and it does not", "appear that the earth and the moon developed during the same time", "period. A current encylopedia states that "there seems to be a record", "of lunar magmatic [molten rock] processes in operation long before", "any processes that can be deduced directly by terrestrial geological", "studies. As for the "capture" theory, even scientist Isaac Asimov, so", "well known for his works of fiction, has written, "It's too big to have", "been captured by the Earth. The chances of such a capture having", "been effected and the moon then having taken up nearly circular orbit", "around our Earth are too small to make such an eventuality credible."", "Asimov was right to consider the moon's orbit--it is not only nearly a", "perfect circle but stationary, one side always facing the earth with only "the slightest variation. As far as we know, it's the only natural satellite with such an orbit. This circular orbit is especially odd considering that the moon's center of mass lies more than a mile closer to the earth than its geometric center. This fact alone should produce an unstable, wobbly orbit, much as a ball with its mass off center will not roll in a straight line. Additionally, almost all of the other satellites in our solar system orbit in the plane of their planet's equator. Not so the moon. whose orbit lies strangely nearer the earth's orbit around the sun or inclined to the earth's ecliptic by more than five degrees. Add to this the fact that the moon's bulge--located on the side facing away from", "Earth, thus negating the idea that it was caused by the earth's gravita-", "tional pull makes for an off-balanced world. It seems impossible that", "such an oddity, could naturally fall into such a precise and circular", "orbit. It is a fascinating conundrum, as articulated by science writer", "William Roy Shelton, who wrote, "It is important to remember that", "something had to put the moon at or near its present circular pattern", "around the Earth. Just as an Apollo spacecraft circling the Earth every "90 minutes while 100 miles high has to have a velocity of roughly", "18,000 miles per hour to stay in orbit, so something had to give the", "moon the precisely required velocity for its weight and altitude ....", "The point--and it is one seldom noted in considering the origin of the", "moon--is that it is extremely unlikely that any object would just stum-", "ble into the right combination of factors required to stay in orbit.", "'Something' had to put the moon at its altitude, on its course and at its", "speed. The question is: what was that 'something'?" If the precise and", "stationary orbit of the moon is seen as sheer coincidence, is it also", "coincidence that the moon is at just the right distance from the earth", "to completely cover the sun during an eclipse? While the diameter of", "the moon is a mere 2,160 miles against the sun's gigantic 864,000", "miles, it is nevertheless in just the proper position to block out all but "the sun's flaming corona when it moves between the sun and the earth.", "Asimov explains, "There is no astronomical reason why the moon and", "the sun should fit so well. It is the sheerest of coincidences, and only", "the Earth among all the planets is blessed in this fashion."",

" How does one explain these and many other moon mysteries?" "Scientists are a conservative lot who all too often tend to ignore any data not pertaining to their own particular area of expertise. They are as lost at explaining our nearest satellite as they are at explaining tektites--small glassy extraterrestrial blobs found at only a few sites on Earth. For years scientists believed tektites were blown to Earth by meteorite strikes on the moon. However, this theory was overturned when the "Apollo missions failed to find anything comparable on the moon.", " In July 1970, two Russian scientists offered a bizarre theory of" "the origin of the moon but one that provided an answer to ail the", "mysteries.",

"The Spaceship Moon Theory", "Little notice was taken when Michael Vasin and Alexander", "Shcherbakov published an article in the Soviet journal Sputnik entitled",

""Is the moon the Creation of Alien Intelligence?" After all, who could", "take seriously such an outrageous concept?", " They advanced the theory that the moon is not a completely" "natural world but a planetoid that was hollowed out eons ago in the far", "reaches of space by intelligent beings possessing a technology far supe-", "rior to ours. Huge machines were used to melt rock and form large", "cavities within the moon, spewing the molten refuse onto the surface.", "Protected by a hull-like inner shell plus a reconstructed outer shell of", "metallic rocky junk, this gigantic craft was steered through the cosmos", "and finally parked in orbit around the earth.", " In their article Vasin and Shcherbakov wrote, "Abandoning" "the traditional paths of 'common sense,' we have plunged into what", "may at first sight seem to he unbridled and irresponsible fantasy. But", "the more minutely we go into all the information gathered by man", "about the moon, the more we are convinced that there is not a single", "fact to rule out our supposition. Not only that, but many things so", "far considered to be lunar enigmas are explainable in the light of this", "new hypothesis."", " The Spaceship Moon theory was revitalized in 1975 with the" "publication of Our Mysterious Spaceship Moon by Don Wilson, who col-", "lected an impressive array of supporting facts. Wilson urged the sci-", "entists of the world to take the Vasin-Shcherbakov theory seriously,", "stating, "Too many pieces of evidence seem to fit to reject the 'wild "theory' without investigation."", " Wilson said he rejected the theory at first as "unbelievable" but" "changed his attitude in light of the information gained through the", "Apollo missions. "Scientists themselves are continuing to uncover", "bewildering and baffling scientific facts that indicate the moon is not", "what it seems, but a world that may not he entirely natural "he wrote.", " Outrageous as the spaceship moon theory, might first appear," "consider how all of the mysteries of the moon are reconciled by this", "model:

" It would explain why the moon gives evidence of being much" "older than the earth and perhaps even our solar system.",

" It explains why there are three distinct layers within the moon," "with the most dense materials in the outside layer. This is exactly the", type of "hull" one would expeet to find on a spacecraft.",

" This theory could explain why no sign of water has been found" "on the moon's surface, yet there is evidence it exists deep inside.",

" It also would explain the magnetism found in moon rocks." "These rocks were magnetized as the mooncraft passed by planets and", "suns on its journey through space.",

" The strange maria, or moon seas, are explained as dumping" "pools for molten rock blasted from the moon's interior. The mas-", "cons--those dense masses located just below the center of each", "maria--may be the remnants of the machinery used to hollow out the", "moon,",

" An artificial satellite could explain the odd, rhythmic "moon-" "quakes" as artificial constructs reacting the same way during periods of", "stress fronh the earth's pull. And artificial equipment beneath the", "moon's surface might be the source of the gas clouds that have been", "observed.",

" The "terraforming" of the moon could prove the solution to the" "argument between "hot moon" and "cold moon" scientists--they are", "both right! The moon originally was a cold world that was trans-", "formed into a spacecraft by artificially heating and expelling vast quan "tities of its interior.",

" This theory also could explain the seeming contradictions over" "the question of a hollow moon. If the moon originally was a solid", "world that was artificially hollowed out, there would be evidence of", "both phases--exactly what we have with current moon knowledge.",

" An artificially hollowed-out moon would explain why the satel-" "lite rings like a bell for hours after struck and why specimens of tough, "refractory metals such as titanium, chromium, and circonium, as well", "as "rustproof" iron, uranimn 236, and neptunium 237 have been found", "there.",

" Finally, the Spaceship Moon theory may come closer than any" "other in reconciling the questions over the origin and amazing orbit of", "the moon.",

" There is even tantalizing evidence that in the dim recesses of" "human memory, there have been recollections of a time before the", "arrival of the moon.", " Aristotle told of a people called the Proselenes who lived in" "Arcadia, a mountainous region in central Greece, long before the coming of the Greeks. The name Selene--the Greek goddess of the", "moon--has come to refer to the moon itself, and the term Proselenes", "means "before the moon." According to ancient legend, the Proselenes", "held claim to Arcadia because they lived there "before there was a", "moon in the heavens." The Greek writer Plutarch also referred to", ""prelunar people" in Arcadia, and the Roman author Ovid stated that", "the Arcadian "folk is older than the moon." The Roman Apollonius", "Rhodius wrote that the Arcadians "dwelt on the mountains and fed on", "acorns, before there was a moon." In Tibetan texts, there are refer-", "ences to a people on a lost continent named Gondwana. said to be civi-", "lized before the moon shone in the night sky.", " Iconoclast Imnmnuel Velikovsky also has written about an early" "time before there was a moon. "The traditions of diverse people offer", "corroborative testimony to the effect that in a very early age, but still "in the memory of mankind, no moon accompanied the earth," he said.", "Velikovsky quotes from the Finnish epic poem Kalevala regarding a", "time "when the moon was placed in orbit."", " Legends and sacred writings across the world indicate that the" "moon was once much closer to the earth. Marine sediment found in", "the Andes mountains reaching twelve thousand feet higher than pres-", "ent sea levels adds evidence that the moon may have been much closer", "and exerted tidal pull thousands of years ago. However, British", "astronomer John D. Barron pointed out that the study of coral growth", "rings in the Bahamas indicated that 350 million years ago an earth day", "was only 21.9 hours long. He attributed this to the pull of the moon,", "which has lengthened the day by about two-thousandths of a second", "every century, thus suggesting the moon has been in place for millions", "of years.", " In the Bolivian city of Tiahuanaco is a large courtyard called the" "Kalasasaya, constructed by people who lived there long before the Incas.", "This ancient calendar presents accurate descriptions of the equinoxes, solstices, the astronomical seasons, and even the movement of the", "moon, which takes into account the orbit of the earth. Based on astro-", "nomical and solar aligmnents presented on the walls of the Kalasasaya,", "author Graham Hancock concluded that the edifice was originally con-", "structed more than seventeen thousand years ago, long before recorded", "history. Some researchers even claim that symbols on the nearby Great Idol indicate knowledge of a round earth and the moon arriving in its", "orbit..

Gregory,

It's been a while since last time I wrote, due to me working almost as hard as you do. Right now I have taken a week off so I have more time to pursue my 'exotic' interests, which resulted in me reading the latest book by Shirley MacLaine, called "The Camino". I don't know if you are familiar with MacLaine's metaphysical books. During the last few years I have read Out on a Limb, Dancing in the Light and now The Camino. Suffice it to say that her experiences in this area have contributed to opening up my interest for the 'other side of life'!

In her latest book she delves into some of her former lives and I noted a few tales of interest to our exchange of ideas. She describes how she at one time was a Lemurian man who committed suicide at a trying time in his life, which caused "higher authorities" to "forbid reincarnation until the end of the Atlantan civilization, at which time you will be reborn to serve the future of mankind. After that you will continue to remain earthbound until the end of the Adamic Age at the turn of the twenty-first century, at which time you will decide how much later you will remain in body"

"And when you return to Atlantis to play out your karma, in the civilization you deserted, you will help to construct a monument to the preservation of records and knowledge. You will help with the construction of a scenario for the human race.You will help to construct a Bible in stone. It will be a cosmic instrument. Instructions for its use will be carved in gold and placed as wall coverings. We pray the wall coverings will remain intact. Because of its displacement of cosmic energy, it will be used as a communication tool for beings who travel the stars. Earth masters will train within it. It will be located at the epicenter of earth's landmass in Egypt. At this location it should be free from the cataclysmic events that occur every 6,666 years. Within this pyramidal structure will be a record of humanity's past, present and future events. It will in effect be a cosmic time machine."

Of special interest to me is Zecharia Sitchin describing in his books how the pyramid was used as a communications device by the Sumerian 'Gods'. Somewhere else I have run into the concept of the pyramid having been used in training for Spiritual Masters and of course we are both familiar with the predictions for the future contained in Peter Lemessurier's book The Great Pyramid Decoded, predictions including the unprecedented drop in material circumstances starting around 2003.

Of interest is of course also the proposition that the end of the Adamic Age is supposed to coincide with the end of the twenty-first century. The young survivors of a possible disaster scenario involving Nibiru in 2003 would approach the end of their natural lives at this time, and if we believe the Zetas, the Adamic race will be replaced by a new hybrid race they have been developing for some time. MacLaine's scenario of a disaster every 6,666 years does not fit in with a disaster every 3,657 years, which I will leave uncommented on for now, except to say that obviously a disaster has to be the cause of the predicted end of the Adamic Age.

Since I became convinced that souls exist I have been trying to lift he veil that shrouds knowledge of the area and finally found a book that is way beyond anything else I have read. It is called "Destiny of Souls" by Michael Newton, Ph.D. and is his second, the first is called "Journey of souls," which I have not read. The author is a retired spiritual hypno therapist, who developed a method of penetrating a client's deep unconscious psyche to such an extent that he could uncover memories of what goes on in between lives and the book details memories of more that sixty of his clients. It is an absolutely fabulous book which sheds much new light on what goes on in the other sphere. Before I have mentioned my idea of our earthly existence being like a school for mankind. After having read the book I am inclined to place the school in the between lives stage with assignments to earth for training purposes. The author explains his discovery of the fact that reincarnating souls usually leave a portion of themselves behind in the spirit world when they reincarnate, otherwise they would 'blow the circuitry of the brain' in the host body. It is thus possible, but extremely rare, that an incarnating soul would divide his essence to two or three parallel lives at the same time. Another interesting discovery was that psychic human beings usually are reincarnating from other telepathic worlds to earth, thus bringing with them traces of their earlier telepathic skills. Reading this book is a must!

John,

Astonished? Wow. I know a number of people besides Patty and I who have had dreams or memories of past lives.

I had a friend (not a hypnotherapist) do two past life regressions on me in 1973. In the first "life," I was a French peasant (it could have been any time during the Dark Ages) whose father had left the family to join an army passing through the village. I was the only son; after my father left, I became the sole support of my mother and three sisters in my early teen years. I slaved away for five or ten years, daydreaming endlessly. One day, an army passed through the village (again?), and I made friends with three of the soldiers. I left town with them; I never saw the rest of my family again. I was naive; I had no idea what the army did, other than that people treated them with respect and they seemed to be really free. I was killed in my very first battle; my friends tried to keep me in the midst of the army so that I could watch without taking any chances, but when I saw that they were killing people, I panicked and broke ranks. An opposing soldier saw a chance to avoid the main action and came after me, killing me easily. In the second "life," I was a black slave in East Texas in what appeared to be the early 19th century; I was referred to as a "house nigger" because I handled the business of the household and never actually worked in the fields. I hated white people; I thought they were all soulless, had no honest emotions, and were a violent and brutal people. My actual hatred was inconsistent with my appearance; the whites all thought I was well behaved and respectful, a good Christian who attended services every week, a family man, and I was well-treated accordingly. I didn't live long enough to see the emancipation at the end of the Civil War; prior to the election of Lincoln, I tried to escape with my family, but was recaptured and died of an illness.

But these regressions weren't the only memories I had of past lives, many of which came from dreams. One of the most interesting of these dreams involved me being a "thing" in Atlantis (not fully human, part ape). My first dreams about it were limited in scope: I remembered liv ing in the wilderness after my (human) mother died, and then venturing into an Atlantean city, where a number of people seemed to know more about me than I knew about myself. I was much more intelligent than people expected me to be; with the assistance of a judge, I was permitted to seek training as a mathematician, and I spent the balance of my life doing theoretical work that was highly regarded. What was weird about this particular dream and "past life" was that many of the people I met in the years after I first had the dream claimed to have known me in that life, and told me the same story I had dreamed about from different perspectives. My first wife, Hanna, remembered being my mother (although that wasn't what she said the first time we discussed the matter): she remembered being married to a very rich and powerful man, but had been having an affair with one of the (thing) houseboys. When she got pregnant, she didn't know who the father was; unfortunately, the father turned out to be the houseboy, a fact which was revealed when the child was obviously part simian. The houseboy was executed, and she was supposed to be executed, too, but it was finally decided that she and her child should be exiled to the wilderness, where it was presumed the two would die relatively quickly. But I kept her alive for years; I had an instinctive knowledge of staying alive in the wilderness, and I looked after her until she got sick one day and died. A good friend in Salt Lake City remembered being the executed houseboy; another friend in New York remembered being the judge who had spoken out against executing the woman and her child, and had helped the child when he came back to civilization. I have met six or seven people who have remembered their roles in my Atlantean story without my having to prompt them.

As for remembering Atlantean and Lemurian technology, I just do; I don't need to have any dreams. I remember the silver-needle airships that were common in Lemurian times; I remember the gong teleportation devices; I remember the techniques that were used so that people could communicate over long distances with other people by receiving their thoughts directly in the mind; I even remember the saurians that occasionally threatened us. As for Atlantis, I remember the extensive use of crystals for power (they had to be worked so that they were a particular shape, so that certain kinds of cosmic radiation would be concentrated by the crystals in a mechanism near the center that amplified the radiation in a way comparable to the way modern lasers work); I remember the building of the Great Crystal (which was pyramidal in shape) to replace laser fusion as an energy source; I remember the use of the Great Crystal for communication and warfare as well as for energy production; I remember the point-to-point transmission of electricity without wires through the earth, from one plant to another; I remember the way in which what we would call numerology (symbolic meanings of numbers) intermixed freely with what we would now call mathematics; I remember television-like entertainment devices; and I remember the manipulation of the "things" by mental powers of the dominant pure-human Atlanteans. How do I remember? I don't know, I just get pictures of such things in my mind.

My wife, Patty, had different sorts of events trigger her memories. The first situation led to the Leah/Layla Waddell character. None of the memories I had could be checked in any way; I was always some historically insignificant person. But Patty's memories always seemed to get authenticated. For years after we were first married, she had unusual experiences relating to certain members of Led Zepellin: she would write down bits of poetry that passed through her mind and, almost invariably, chunks of that poetry would show up, unaltered, in Led Zepellin or Robert Plant albums put out shortly thereafter. She claimed that there were times when she could see through their eyes, as if she was in Britain talking with their friends. She claimed that Jimmy Page knew that he was Aleister Crowley, that the members of the Ordo Templi Orientis knew it was him too and had given him back Crowley's property. I didn't know what to think about it all until one day a lawyer buddy of mine gave me a book he had bought in Chicago, which contained a famous picture of Leah Waddell taken by Crowley in the late 19th century. The picture looked exactly like Patty; what's more, Patty recognized the picture, remembered what had been happening when the picture was taken, remembered what Ms. Waddell's life had been like. As we found additional information about Ms. Waddell's life, it consistently turned out that Patty had remembered the facts accurately. (She has always defended Crowley to other people, and she still believes in practicing magick, but in private she has told me the many ways in which he squandered his spiritual gifts; but she always acted like that was a personal matter, and that no one had any business criticizing him.)

From her research on Leah Waddell, she knew that Crowley and Waddell had happened upon two of Ms. Waddell's past lives, one as a Greek scholar and the other as an Oriental potentate (queen?). Her memories about the Greek scholar came more and more often; she would share them with me from time to time. She had especially strong memories of being murdered by Christians; her descriptions made it sound like she was tortured to death. But she didn't know whose life she was describing -- until she ran into a book that featured a famous statute of that era that looked exactly like Patty, again. It was a statue of Hypatia. When she got books on Hypatia's life, the details were all corroborated, right down to the murder by monks involving ripping off her skin with oyster shells and then burning the pieces. (She hasn't figured out who the Oriental potentate was, but since she has started talking more about that person, it seems likely to me that soon she will figure out who that person is as well.)

The rituals I was referring to were certainly rituals performed by humans (on Hypatia, for one, by the monks who killed her). I understood that you were referring to spirits speaking from on high rather than to people performing rituals, but I couldn't resist mentioning it.

Yeah, A.R.E. materials are pretty vague, but if you can slog through the dross, there are nuggets of useful information; at least you can see if any "memories" you might have (perhaps I should say, that I might have) correspond to materials in the Cayce readings (some of the readings were modestly helpful to me, in that they confirmed elements of what I remembered of Atlantean technology).

The idea of Root Races comes from the Hindus and the Mayans, and more recently from Theosophists and students of the Urantia Book. The notion is that every Great Year (approximately 52,000 years), the preexisting form of humanity changes dramatically, and a new, higher, form of humanity emerges. The Mayans claimed that there had been four root races up to their time, that they were part of the fifth; the Popul Vuh discussed the four times in which an old world ended and a "New Heaven and a New Earth" emerged. Each such time, the Sun rose and set in a different place in the sky, the color (and thickness) of the atmosphere was different, the continents and islands were shaped differently than now, and the people alive then had different faculties and a different view of the world. Although there is literature about the changeover from one root race to another, I am not very familiar with the literature, but I do have a sense that the increased capacity of people to sense accurately with their pineal glands is part of the changeover to the sixth root race. Many people I know (including Patty and me) have always felt like aliens, always felt that even our families were so very different from us that they couldn't really hope to understand us or help us in our personal journey. When I read Other Tongues, Other Flesh by Adamski, and he offered the theory that 18m people had been born on earth between 1946 and 1964 that were actually humanoids from other planets (most from Venus, descriptions of whose civilization I related to the best, but also from Neptune, the Moons of Mars, and even from outside this solar system), I actually felt relieved to think that there might be an explanation for why I was so weird. The reason I think the sixth root race could already be here, not looking obviously different from the fifth, is because I know I don't look that different from other people, yet my life experiences and the powers that I have been able to demonstrate to my own satisfaction from time to time suggest to me that I (and others like me) do not fit the normal mold for human beings. I remind myself of an X-Man, and I know lots of other people who also remind me of X-Men. Of course, I leave open the possibility that I could be way off base.

Gregory,,

Thanks for staying up until midnight to fill me in on the former life adventures of both yourself and your wife. Yes, I was astonished since the group of people I have moved within in my own life totally lack any memories similar to yours, and furthermore are fairly anchored in the mundane here and now, which was also my situation until a few years ago. I have always thought about myself as a loner without the type of temperament that ensures material success in this world and have to admit that even I have entertained thoughts of being from another world lost in my human body here on earth.

I even contacted Nancy (of the Zeta site) to see if she would be able to figure out if I was a "Walk-In" or "Star-Child" this time around, but she wasn't into these kinds of questions any more. Meanwhile I decided that I definitely was a common human being enduring the same kind of frustrations most people encounter at some points in their lives. The last few years have brought new frustrations which I didn't have before, I would love to be psychic and have my own 'handlers' who would contact me with instructions and suggestions but I suspect I am a young and dense soul unfortunately.

At one point in my life when I was living in sin with my future wife and we were having trouble, we were seriously considering splitting up. We lived in an apartmenthouse with a pool and I remember sharing our problems with another tenant poolside, which was very out of character for me, especially since I didn't know him at all and never spoke to him again. He talked to both of us, specifically mentioning that I was a young soul while Susan was more experienced. He also mentioned that I had a similar temperament to my grandfather on my mother's side, the truth of which hit me hard. To this day I am astonished at the insights this man provided and suspect these days that he was sent to interfere with us for a purpose. Anyway, this occurrence has contributed to my sense of being a young soul (since I became convinced that souls exist). I would love for this notion to be untrue since I have no desire to endure a bunch of future lives learning painful lessons.

I suspect that even you are a regular human being, although one with an older soul than I have. I have now read even the first book by Michael Newton Ph.D., called "Journey of Souls," which if possible is even more informative that the second one, which I read first. One of the facts of spirit lives in between earthly assignments is that we belong to a subgroup of souls. This group contains usually your soulmate and closest friends and varies between three and twenty-five individual souls, for most people having an average of fifteen souls. These are the souls that help plan your future life with you, even to the extent of laying out markers for you when you are in for major changes in a life time, such as meeting your future mate. These other souls also become players in the staged drama of your new life. I myself had an immediate attraction to my future wife when I first saw her, even though she at the time was looking adoringly up into the face of her then boyfriend. When my own relationship at the time foundered, I contacted Susan for a blind date. She was then available and when she opened the door and said the first few words I experienced a definite "click" within myself, which I now ascribe to "the marker" mentioned before.

I wouldn't be surprised if you and your group are here now as part of an effort to help a transition from our old circumstances to new ones. Everything I think I have learned the last few years point to some kind of major change. I am sure you are tired of hearing of these notions of mine. I can only say that I am not alone in these notions, and that my concepts are more logical than some others. I doubt that you and your friends are members of a Sixth Root Race, instead I think you are forerunners of change, allowed capacities in your last incarnation in this era not available before, at least not the last few thousand years. It seems like your wife and probably also you belong to a subgroup of souls that include members of Led Zeppelin. I assume Jimmy Page? was a member, and I would scan my memory banks for possible connections to Aleister Crowley if I were you.

So I would forget about being a Venutian if I were you, obviously your past life recall concerns earth and from what I have learned from these two books by Michael Newton, it is fairly rare with incarnations anywhere else if you usually incarnate on earth. Of course I would also like to delve into an argument of how some passings of Nibiru logically can produce a new world with different landscape, new sun, moon and changed star circumstances, but I will spare you this time, except to say that this passing of Nibiru seems to coincide with a New Root Race and new era being introduced some time during this century.

Gregory,

I am still off work so I have time to ponder things that have been bothering me for some time. One such thing is my indulgence of the Zeta concept of Nibiru's approach being the cause of weatherchanges and melting of the polar ice masses, due to an increase in temperature of earth's inner core and subsequent heating of the oceans from the bottom up. Since I ridicule the notion that one degree of warming of our atmosphere can cause such severe melting of the ice masses, how can I possibly support an idea that it is caused by something as remote as a magnetic influence by a planet that hasn't even entered our solar system yet?

Originally my retort was that we human beings know very little of things like electro magnetic interactions between planets and suns, since we have been living in a stable system since we were born and thus can't discern individual planetary influences. I have to admit, though, that the possibility of Nibiru causing our current weatherchanges seems ludicrous at first sight.

However, since I couldn't come up with strong support, I naturally kept my eyes open for something that would indicate that the Zetas knew what they were talking about, and I think I found it in the form of this excerpt from an earlier e-mail (and from Worlds in Collision);

"...The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned..."yea, the world and all that dwell therein" The rivers steamed, and even the bottom of the sea boiled here and there. "The sea boiled, all the shores of the oceans boiled, all the middle of it boiled," says the 'Zend-Avesta.' The star Tistrya made the sea boil.............The tribes of British Columbia tell: "Great clouds appeared....such a great heat came, that finally the water boiled"..........On the North Pacific coast of America, the tribes insist that the oceans boiled: "It grew very hot....many animals jumped into the water...but the water began to boil."...(page 92)......."

This is a description of events during the last interaction with Nibiru. It is fairly obvious to me that this heating of parts of the oceans water (and melting of certain landmasses) cannot be caused by radiation like that emanating from the Sun. Nibiru has to be at least three to four times as far away from Earth as the moon is during the closest approach, so the question becomes: What on earth can cause such events as reported by ancient witnesses? One possible answer is that the friction caused by landmasses moving during the pole change is enough to cause the enormous heat needed to boil the oceans. Another possible answer is that the magnetic field emanating from Nibiru has the power to heat up our oceans by itself and thus can be causing the weather changes right now.

(Later as I revisited a Zeta site ,I ran into this sentence: "The heat of land masses above subducting plates where friction can cause the ground to melt." I now believe that the ground will melt and water boil when a contintal plate slips underneath another during the poleshift and confirmation seems to be the fact that on the North American continent we have only such reports from tribes living exactly on such a boundary. The ancient book Zend Avesta must be describing the experiences of people living on another slip-boundary between continental plates.)

Since Nibiru has the enormous power of shifting our poles at a distance of three to four times the distance to our moon, I think we will agree that the magnetic influence has to be felt even long before this event. How specifically this results in an increase in the temperature of earth's core is beyond me, but the meteorological scientists of the future will probably be familiar with the phenomenon!

While I am at it I might as well list the clues that speak to a soon to come encounter with Nibiru!

1......Astronomers found through infrared instruments a possible Planet X in 1983, but have tried to spread disinformation since, see this excerpt:

"Whatever happened to Planet X that was sighted in 1983? For hundreds of years prior to this, astronomers were plotting the orbits of the outer planets and stating that there was a perturbation. This caused a flurry of activity going into the early 1980's, in which there were calculations by Van Flandern and others showing the approximate size of a planet, an extra planet in the solar system that would account for the perturbations. In fact, he was remarkably close to the actual size of the 12th Planet which is inbound. They found it. They located it by infrared. There were newspaper announcements and suddenly not a word was said for a decade. Then NASA explained that tiny differences in weight of the outer planets explained it all. If this were the case, since the weight of the planets is calculated from the orbits and the visible sizes, why would all those astronomers for all those centuries be confused and notice the perturbations? They would have calculated the weight to explain the perturbation to begin with! Of course you're being fooled and lied to..."

2.....All prophesies by various individual seers, including Nostradamus, Cayce and Ruth Montgomery. to the effect that there will be catastrophic changes to landmasses at the turn of the Millennium.

3.....The fact that a credible source has revealed that the Vatican expects a reappearance by Wormwood a this time in history. Or could this be disinformation? What possible use would such disinformation have? See this excerpt:

"It took me a good deal of time to break into the system, and when I did, I wished I hadn't. When I entered the system, I came across a file titled "WORMWOOD?".(Yes, with a question mark.) Thinking it to be a text file, I brought up the file with the intent of copying so I could read it later. What happened next was truly remarkable. The file sort of "deteriorated" into a series of command lines that lasted approximately two minutes. Once it was done running, there it was.

I had found a direct link-up to the Hubble space telescope. Not only that, but it was pointed directly at the comet Hale-Bopp. The program was running some kind of analysis. Taking directional notes, projecting path of travel, etc. After realizing what I had discovered, I started searching and came across an e-mail data trail that led directly to the office of the Pope himself. What was discussed, I cannot know.

Over the next two weeks, I began to uncover evidence that the Vatican is very aware of the existence of the companion, and is VERY worried about it. I began to copy files and pictures that were present at the terminal, when I found a report from the United Nations to the Vatican, as well as a report from NASA regarding their concerns......"

4.....The fact that The Great Pyramid Decoded shows an incredible decline in material circumstances for mankind in 2003, 2004, which can be caused only by a natural disaster of the magnitude Nibiru would cause. Shirley MacLaine confirms.the use of the Pyramid as a prophetic device and furthermore is of the opinion that the Adamic race is on the way out.

5....If we agree that human kind has been created by various alien civilizations over a period of time, why has this era been chosen by aliens again as a significant time period? And why is there a development of a hybrid race? It seems obvious to me that they are curious about the coming earth changes and also have a role in setting up the circumstances for "heaven and hell" as prophesied by Jesus Christ. See this excerpt from Ruth Montgomery's book The world to Come:

"Yes, it is increasing constantly throughout the globe. The aliens are studying conditions and experimenting with animals and people in order to preserve the Earth's species on other planets and in other galaxies, because of the impending Shift. They literally mean no harm. They are trying to preserve the human race and species of animals, vegetation and other forms of life that would be extremely valuable to reintroduce into a stabilized Earth, or to other planets that can sustain those life forms." "Many are aware of the upcoming Shift through their advanced instruments, and that has piqued their interest, just as Earthlings are stirred with excitement about the bombardment of Jupiter by remnants of a fragmented comet."

6....The Zetas themselves specify that a catastrophe will occur in spring of 2003. The reason they have spoken up at all is because of frequent questioning by human contactees involved with them. Since this faction of the Zetas seems to fit perfectly with Ruth Montgomery's description, what possible need would they have to misinform Earthlings? If this faction of the Zetas are not the aliens described by Montgomery, where are the other aliens supposedly involved in scientific pursuits involving humans?

7.......Kathleen Keating, the author of "The Final Warning," revealed during a radio interview with Art Bell that she has contacts within the astronomical community of the USA. See this excerpt:

"Art - All right, the Father talked many times about the signs that would be seen from the sky. Is that why the Catholic Church went and got their mountaintop telescope?

Kathleen - I really think it is. I know Pope John Paul II is very interested in what is going on overhead, and I think they are anticipating a comet in the relatively near future.

Art - A comet?

Kathleen - A comet -- if not two of them.

Art - Are you referring to something that will be seen in the heavens as a sign, or a comet on a collision course with earth?

Kathleen - Both. What we are going to see soon, I truly believe, from what prophets have said and from what I have found out as far as the government is concerned, we are going to see a comet that is going to appear as though there is another sun in the sky. And the problem with this, and the reason why the observatory is there in Arizona, is the fact that scientists have underestimated the speed of this comet that will come barreling down on us. They know it's there; they're not releasing it, but it's headed this way.

Art - How do you know they know?

Kathleen - The evidence is there. I have sources within the scientific communities that have pretty much told me, 'Yeah, it's there but what are we going to do?' 'It's out there too far -- it's not going to hurt us for a long time.' And you've got the professors now that are saying, 'Oh yes, it is going to hurt us -- it is speeding up.' They are misjudging the speed of the thing. It is barreling down on us. "

The comment that the "comet" is speeding up fits perfectly with the info from the Zetas who describe how Nibiru basically stands still before coming under the influence of the gravity of our inner solar system and then speeds up to such an extent that the planet will pass through our inner solar system in three months only.

8..The fact that factions of our military are involved with free lance terrorism in the form of black helicopter squads and efforts to test how effective disease spreading via chemtrails are, points to a certain urgency felt within the Secret Government. If we were living in a normal era I doubt that they would encourage these type of activities. I suspect that when survivors of the Nibiru encounter try to revolt against the Secret Government they will be met by far more dangerous chemtrails then what has been released so far.

9..The Hopi people have a legend of two brothers, one brother was told by the Great Spirit to stay at home and cover well his tracks, while the older brother was told to go far to the East, and when he reached his destination, immediately turn around and head for his younger brother again. Robert Morning Sky has convincingly interpreted the tale to mean that one brother, a comet, reaches its furthest away point and then returns to his brother, which he thinks is the moon! I myself think the younger brother is our own Earth, but in any case, the Hopi people agree with the Maya prophesy of and end to our era in 2012. The end is supposed to be brought about by the "Red Kachina," a red star also named "The Purifier." The red "aura" of the star fits perfectly with the red dust that Nibiru cloaks itself with in the encounter with Earth. See this excerpt:

"The tail of the comet is composed of lighter material toward the tip, as any heavier substances that far from the great comet's gravitational influence are drawn in other directions at one point or another. Thus, the gases and dust curl toward the Earth, and are first noticeable as a fine red iron dust, turning the water a bitter blood red. "

Gregory,

I happened to look through the Exodus parts of Worlds in Collision today.. I have of course read it at least twice before, but this time I decided to make an effort to disentangle the various mysterious reports of battles in the sky between Typhoon and Zeus, not to mention Pillars of Smoke and Pillars of Fire, This sequence of events has bothered me, and at times I have even played with the idea of Nibiru having *captured* Venus somewhere on the outskirts of our solarsystem, then dragged her behind while exchanging lightning bolts in between themselves, only to dump Venus in her current orbit (or what would eventually become her current orbit). I also have been puzzled by the chain of events that took place during the Exodus, it seemed like the timespan of the whole episode spanned several weeks, if not a month, and my understanding of a poleshift didn't compute with this evidence. The ancients spoke also in awe about a *ball of fire or flaming star" which they interpreted as the god Zeus, which had left his position in the Jupiter orbit, and this sunlike appearance didn't fit in with my understanding of the 12th planet either!

Here is what I came up with:

1......The planet has a tail like a regular comet, which confirms the Zetas description of Nibiru as a gigantic comet. Unlike Sitchin's drawing of how Nibiru enters our system, approaches and passes Earth first before finally rounding the Sun and sling-shotting itself out of our system, imagine a situation that has Nibiru entering from behind the Sun with our Earth at an 8 o'clock position relative to the Sun's 12 o'clock (Nibiru is coming from above 12 o'clock but skewed towards 10 or 11)..The tail of the comet is of course always pointing away from the Sun and as Nibiru advances in a straight line from above 11 o'clock towards 7 o'clock, there will come a time when the tail swings towards Earth. This is when we are first hit with red dust which poisons our water and kills off some of the cattle as described in the book. As we become swallowed by the tail we are then hit by sand, gravel and finally boulders mingled with fire due to petrocarbons being created and burning in the atmosphere. At this point we have a solar eclipse when Nibiru blocks the sun's rays at a position straight between 8 and 12, thus the 3-9 days of darkness witnessed by contemporary accounts which encompasses 1-9 of the plagues of the Egyptian pharaoh. This scenario explains why the Zetas now have Nibiru causing troubles on its way OUT of our solar system, which caused some disagreement between us a few months ago.

2......Velikovsky claims that during the day (or night) when the Jews escape, there is brightness equaling sunshine during summer solstice. During the darkness there has been hurricanes and tribulations due to *hail and fire* from the skies, which kills off most of the population. At this time the disk of Nibiru doesn't cover the Sun anymore, it is on its way closer to Earth as it heads towards 7 o'clock. At the time of the Jews exiting Egypt we have the actual poleshift, which enables the Jews to escape while the Egyptian troops drown (or the poleshift started sometime during the darkness but takes a few days to run its course). At some point here the sun stands still as described by the ancients. The tail now mostly misses our earth since it is forced by the solar wind in a straight line from the sun. This tail is now seen as a pillar of smoke by daytime and a pillar of fire during nighttime. The 12th planet is mostly composed of water so as the sun's rays deflect off the water, the planet acts like a giant mirror and gives the impression of being the *flaming ball * described by the ancients, while its tail seems on fire during nighttime due to being illuminated by the sun's rays! (I no longer believe that the "flaming ball" effect is caused by reflection of the sun's rays off the planet's water but by reflection off the suspended gold particles that have been artificially added to Nibiru's atmosphere in order to preserve the planets atmosphere as described in Zecharia Sitchin's book series "The Earth Chronicles".)

3......As Nibiru gets closer to our earth, the end of the tail is attracted by Earth's gravity, which causes exchanges of lightning bolts between the tail and our planet, making the tail dance to and fro, sometimes attracted and sometimes repelled by the various electrical charges initiating the exchanges. At the same time, or at intervals, the comet is itself exchanging lightning bolts with its dancing tail, causing all the ancient tales of Zeus killing the terrible Typhoon with lightning charges. Meanwhile, here on Earth, during a period of weeks, the Jews have reached the Mountain of Lawgiving, which is rumbling with earthquakes and fire at this time due to the fact that Nibiru is now as close as it will come and its gravity influence is at a peak!