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May 29, 2002, I ordered the DNA kit from FamilyTreeDNA at http://www.ftdna.com
My intention is to identify the various Berryman/Berriman/Berreman/etc. branches, and possibly to prove a common origin.
The 12 marker test will help inform you whether you are related to another Berryman/Berriman/Berreman "sometime back in history". (i.e. you or a "Berryman" ancestor were not adopted, etc.) It also may inform you of a common ancestor from the period in history before surnames were adopted (approximately 1000 years ago).
The 25 marker test gives you an approximate "last common male ancestor". For example, two Berryman males could be shown to have a common gr-gr-gr-gr-gr-gr Grandfather. (sorry, but the current Y-DNA testing doesn't get much closer than that. MB)
The mtDNA (Maternal) tests identify connections to a mother, a mother's mother, her mother's mother, her mother's mother, etc. This testing goes "much farther back" to a most recent common maternal ancestor as mtDNA hardly ever changes. I had mine tested and it is the most common northern european mtDNA. My original maternal ancestor lived approximately 10,000 years ago. For an interesting book on the subject of mtDNA read "The Seven Daughters of Eve".
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I've received emails from Gregg Bonner explaining his DNA search on the Lentz family. He has information on his website http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gbonner/lentzdna The website a little "detailed" and may be confusing, but in his emails he expressed satisfaction with FamilyTreeDNA. He suggests the 12 marker kit. Gregg says much more will be learned by testing more participants with 12 markers than would be learned with fewer participants at 25 markers (at a higher price). As to his credentials, Gregg has a PhD in biochemistry and has studied molecular evolution for close to 15 years.
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Perhaps money could be collected from several interested family members to pay for a single donor (ideally the oldest male Berryman of that line). i.e. the person donating DNA would not have to pay, only submitting to the cheek swab test.
I purchased the 21 marker kit (now upgraded to 25 markers) for $209 (+ tax = $211) and as "Group Administrator" as they will inform me on test results
The prices have dropped as we are now a "Berryman Group".
The 25 marker (Paternal) YDNA Plus test is now $169 + tax.
The 12 marker (Paternal) YDNA test is now $99 + tax.
The Maternal Match - Maternal Ancestry kit is $179 + tax. (submitted by Male or Female)
The mtDNA Plus - "high resolution" Maternal match kit is $239 + tax. (submitted by Male or Female)
The "combined" (Paternal & Maternal) YDNA + mtDNA test is $289 + tax.
For instance the Y-DNA 12 marker tests can be "upgraded" to the 25 marker test by paying the $70 difference in price (without taking a new test, since they already have your test results on file).
If you are interested in participating, email me your "snail mail" address and which test kit you want or use the "Link" at bottom, right. The test kit will be mailed to your address. An invoice will accompany the swab test kit and you pay when returning the test or you can pay by credit card when ordering.
The kit will take about 1-1/2 weeks to arrive. The test involves a cheek swab and does not require blood. The sensation is like brushing the inside of your cheek with a toothbrush. See http://www.ftdna.com/kit.html for further details. Note: due to amount of business, the test results have taken as much as a couple of months.
Again, this test is only for males of a continuous paternal lineage. There are tests for the maternal lineage but they are different (see my mtDNA test, below).
On this page, I will be publishing additional information as it develops.
To date: Ralph Berryman has participated and we have been matched (with 9 mutations) as being from the same line.
Hoyt Berryman (Mary Love Beryman's husband) has submitted his test and we have identically matched in all 25 of 25 markers. This "proves" relationship back to Maximilian Berryman and his sons Benjamin (Marv) and Charles (Hoyt) in the mid to late 1700s.
I would like to have "known-descendants" of Benjamin Berryman's sons James, Newton, William Berryman and John Berryman (m. Behethland Gilson) tested to confirm matches to the immigrant John Berryman.
Other Berryman/Berriman/Bereman males can also prove or disprove connections to John's line and, if disproven, perhaps make DNA connections within their own line.
Norman Berreman is participating (although through another DNA company using the same lab). Jack Sanders participated with the DNA of his uncle John Bereman and has a close match with Norman Berreman. Unfortunately, they have been proven to not be related to the other Berrymans tested.
Ralph Berryman has tested as not being related to either John Berryman or the Norman Berreman line.
Ralph's connection is at least 1000 years ago, although he appears to be a closer relative to John Berryman than Norman & Jack who appear to be a few thousand years farther distant.
Jim Leighton (mentioned below) has also been shown to have a 12 of 12 match. He is searching for his ancestry as his ggg-grandfather was abandoned as an infant in 1780 (probably in Barrington, NH)
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The following is a footnote from Gregg Bonner:
Back to the DNA for a second - I want to encourage you strongly to go ahead and do it. The real factor in time is this - you know how the Y chromosome is passed father to son, well, what if there is one Berryman line whose DNA is critical to the interpretation? And there is only one male of the line left (everyone had a lot of daughters, or whatever). And the one guy is 85 years old. To paraphrase an army general(?), "A good plan executed now is better than a great plan executed tomorrow".
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To order a DNA test at Group rates use the Link below, right.
A notification and the results will be sent to me as Administrator. You will receive the test results and any matches with others.
If you sign the release form, your test results will be shared with other FamilyTree DNA (FTDNA) participants with the same (or nearly the same) test results.
For instance, Hoyt N. Berryman (Mary Love Berryman's husband) and I have FTDNA "25 of 25 marker" matches as well as "12 of 12 marker" matches with 14 men of other surnames (numbers as of 11/02). Surnames include Soper, Locklear, Ellison, Allison, Brown, Glennon, Wright, Leighton and Wilson.
These 12 marker matches plus a "few mismatches" in the 25 markers tested, indicate a common male ancestor approximately 1000 years ago.
In the case of Soper, he has matches in 24 of the 25 markers tested. This would indicate a common male ancestor less than 1000 years ago.
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My new email address is Man2Berry 'at symbol' prodigy.net - Note: this method is to an attempt to foil email "address harvesters".
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