FALL-2008
Attention Street Families in England
I would like to encourage Street males in England to have DNA testing (see below for testing information). Hopefully some of you will match your American cousins and will be able to give us more family history. It is believed that William Street's line was in shipping business between England and Virginia. I am sure some may have continued to be in the shipping business in England after William's ancestors emigrated. It is on record that a Capt. John Street was from Bristol. It would also be interesting to see DNA results from anyone who still retains the name STREATE or STRETE. This could help prove our line is related to the Streate or Strete lines. If any of you Street(s) from England think you might be related to our Street lines, please read about the Street Y-DNA Project below and I would like to hear from you. TOMSTREET@prodigy.net
STREET Y-DNA PROJECT(Updated Aug. 20, 2008)
Last year I took part in the Family Tree Street Group Y-DNA Project. My first 12 markers are an exact match with three other Street's in this group of 8 tested and all four of us are in the same Haplo Group of I1. Three out of the four of us that matched can document our line back to Anthony Street (born about 1710, son of William Street c1680). (See photo of his grave marker below). The other four do not match any of the others tested. I am listed as S-8. See link to results page: http://worldfamilies.net/surnames/s/street (At the top of the web page you will see "Project Menu" on the 3rd line down. Select "PATRIARCHS" and "Y-RESULTS" for our Street information.)
Joe Street who can trace his line back to Dudley Street c1750 is included in the four of us that match the first 12 markers, but he is unable to link Dudley Street to Anthony or William Street. It appears Dudley Street is connected to William Street somewhere back in time. I first thought he may have been an unknown grandson of William Street. That would fit his age range since Dudley was born about 1750 (about the same age of Anthony's children), however Joe indicated Dudley Street was born in England. If this is true, then it would most likely rule out him being one of William's grandsons unless one of William's children returned to England or our common ancestor was one of William's male ancestors back in England.
Joe Street recently had further testing for 37 markers. The results indicate there were only a three marker differences between my results on 37 markers and Joe Street's. These were most likely mutations at markers 459, CDYa and CDYb.
In order to find some type of time line on how far back our lines connected, I put this question to Terry Barton at Worlds Families Network. This is part of his reply:
Hi Thomas. (and Joe) Hope this is useful - as you put me in the uncomfortable zone with this set of info.
S-2 & S-8 -- a 34/37 match with a "genetic distance" (absolute difference of values on all markers) of 4 This is within the generally accepted guidelines for a genetic match - a difference of 4 or less at 37 markers.
It would be easier to comment if S-4 and S-10 both were also tested at 37 markers, as we would then have a wider frame of reference.
In comparing 37 markers, the probability that Thomas M. Street and Joe Street shared a common ancestor within the last...
4 generations is 10.61% (This would be the generation of most of our great great grandfathers-This would be John Street b.1835 in my line.)
8 generations is 43.55% (This is the generation of William Street b. c1680).
12 generations is 72.8% (This is the generation of John Streate b c1585). Not proven to be in this line.
16 generations is 88.97% (This is the generation of Phillip Strete b. c1495). Not proven to be in this line .
20 generations is 96.01% (This is the generation of Robert Strete c1408). Not proven to be in this line.
24 generations is 98.66% (This is the generation of Thomas De Strete III c1250). Not proven to be in this line.
When I look at this- I conclude that any scenario that could go with your two paper trails could fit in this (terribly broad) solution set. (I usually don't even look at these.)
So - 6 generations would extrapolate to being about 27% probability (still a healthy number) but 6 generations doesn't fit very well with my understanding of your paper trails.
Note - for reference, my uncle and I (3 birth events between us and our most recent common ancestor - my grandfather) We are 41/43 - and the dna-based probability calculation says we have a 1% chance of being that closely related. My Dad started a mutation and I started one. And - physically and mannerisms - there's no doubt - we are close kin. So much for probabilities?
So bottom line - I am guessing that your common ancestor is prior to 1680 and that your match is valid. More testing (and comparing to the other 3 guys) would reduce my discomfort at guessing - as I am not certain this time.
CDY is one of the fast moving markers - so it is often a first place you find a mutation. It makes me very cautious to see what looks like 3 mutations in one marker - as that would typically take a LONG time. However, it could have been one massive mutation - with a reality of you and Joe being only mutations apart (one at 459 and one at CDY.
Best regards, Terry Barton, World Families Network
If Joe Street and my Street line's common ancestor lived prior to 1680, then it would be prior to the estimated birth of William Street c1680 and will make it more difficult to find documentation for our common ancestor since we do not know for sure the parents of William Street. Some Street researchers have done extensive research on William's line and found other Street(s) living in the same area of Virginia at the time of William's birth and believe his father may have been George Street and believe his ancestry is linked to John Streate b. 1585 in the London area of England.
Since Street is not a very common name, one might be lead to believe all of us Street families are related. DNA seems to disprove this theory. Even the eight of us in the Street DNA Group, there are five unrelated lines with different Haplogroup origins.
I am hoping more Street(s) are tested. I would like to encourage people to get more than the basic 12 markers tested in order to establish a better Y-DNA trail to go with our paper trail. I have had all 67 markers tested.
I had very unusual results on FT-DNA markers 14 and 15 which are 459a and 459b. I can not find anyone in the Y-Search database of having the same results on both of these markers. This may be unique to my Street line.
HAPLOGROUPS
The Y-DNA also gives participants additional historical information such as their Haplogroup. This is how they classify people groups as the migrated throughout the earth thousands of years ago. The four of us with matching Y-DNA, as described above are classified as Haplogroup I1. I1 lineage likely has its roots in northern France. They traveled north after the ice age. Today it is found most frequently within Viking / Scandinavian populations in northwest Europe and has since spread down into Central and Eastern Europe, where it is found at low frequencies. The old classification for this group was I1a. It was renamed in 2008. For more on information on the I1 see this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I1_%28Y-DNA%29
HOW TO BE TESTED
Since the Y-DNA is not passed down to females, if you are a female Street researcher and want Y-DNA testing, you would need to have a male Street in your family tested such as a brother. THE TESTING DOES NOT REQUIRE A BLOOD TEST. They will send you a kit so a person can take their own scraping inside their cheek and send it back to the lab. It is easy.
If you have already been tested with another organization, you can still use Y-Search with your DNA information. It is a free service offered by Family Tree at http://www.ysearch.org. You can use this site to search out names and DNA results.
There are several other companies that do Genealogy DNA and I am not trying to promote one company over another. Family Tree's information web page allows one to compare Family Tree with two other companies at http://www.familytreedna.com/about.html and they have an information video which gives more information about Genealogy DNA. (If you are interested, click on the hyper-text links in BLUE to go to the web page. )
Family Tree allows you to compare your DNA with people who were tested by other companies doing Genealogy DNA and encourages people to join the International Society of Genetic Genealogy which is free to join at http://www.isogg.org . It does cost to have your DNA tested. The basic test is $99.00 with Family Tree DNA for 12 markers if you join the Street Group. $187 for the 37 marker test. I know it sounds like a lot of money for some people but if genealogy is a hobby like it is for me, many people spend a lot more money on other hobbies. I feel it is worth the money.
I would like to encourage our Street family researchers take advantage of one of the DNA testing services.
Tom Street TOMSTREET@prodigy.net
Gwyn Cemetery in Haywood Co. NC has been updated. To view click here.
The Philadelphia Street Families
John Street, immigrant came from England (around 1760) with a sea captain for the voyage to Philadelphia and never returned home. See the link below for more information.
http://home.earthlink.net/~vickisando/philadelphiastreetfamilygenealogy/index.html
ANTHONY STREET'S LINE BACK TO ENGLAND
In June 2001 a group of Street family researchers located the grave of Anthony Street (born about 1710 in King William Co., VA) and placed a marker on his grave site. You can read more about this project by clicking on this page link--CLICK HERE.
Mavis Clemmer pictured above on the right is the author of two books on the Street family and has linked a number of Street lines to Anthony Street correcting many errors by previous researchers. She found wills and records proving Anthony was the father of Samuel, Thomas, Elizabeth, Caty, and Frances (Franky) who married Housand Harrill. She also found this father's will proving William Street born 1682 and Jane Waddy was his parents.
We have been stuck and unable to prove Anthony's line past William. Hayden Street pictured in the center above has taken a special interest in tracing his line back to England. It is believed the early Virginia Street family was associated with the Waddy family in shipping between Virginia and England. It is Hayden's theory that William's father was George Street descended from John Streate in England via Anthony Street / Streate, John Street, and George Street. Anthony changed the spelling of his name to Street. Anthony Street was the only Street found wealthy enough to have a son John who owned a plantation in Isle of Wright, Virginia in 1636. John had a son named George born in 1662 in the same area where William Street was born in 1782.
If these theories are true, Anthony's line would be:
(1) John Streate
(2) Anthony Streate (Street)
(3) John Street born about 1662- He may have been known as Capt. John Street, BUT don't confuse this Capt. John Street with the one born about 1700 in Bristol, England. There were previous research errors making this later Capt. John Street the father of some of Anthony Street's (born 1710) children. These error were copied by later researchers and believed to true by many.
FOR CAPT. JOHN STREET B. ABOUT 1700 RESEARCHERS--- We are not sure who was the father of this later Capt. John Street. Since he was born in England a number of years after Anthony's line went to Virginia, he may have been a grandson of John Streate's other children. He may have been involved with their shipping business. He married Hannah Waddy and had the following children after going to Virginia: (1) John Street, Jr. born 1735 in Charles City, VA and died 1801 in Hanover, VA. (2) Joseph Street born 1737 in Charles City, VA. and died 1835 in TN. (3) William Street born 1739. (4) Anthony Waddy Street born 1741 in Metadaquin Cr. near Richmond, VA. and died 1809 in VA. (5) Mary Street born 1845. He also may have had a daughter named Frances. This is where past researchers tried to list the Frances (Franky) Street daughter of Anthony Street as Capt. John Street's daughter. Anthony lists his daughter Frances married to Housand Harrill in his will. So we are not sure if he had a daughter named Frances or past researchers just plugged her in this family. Note: he married Hannah Waddy who was a niece of Anthony Street's wife Jane Waddy. This would give us reason to believe he was closely related to Anthony's Street line, but we are not sure where.
(4) George Street born 1862 in Handover, VA
(5) William Street born about 1680 in VA and died 1752 in Caroline Co, VA. William is the oldest we have documentation. Remember his above line is just a theory as of this time. William has three known sons: William, Anthony, and Joseph. The later Capt. John Street would fit the age of William's children, but we have two problems. We have not found any records indicating he was one of William's sons and if Capt. John Street was born in England would present a problem.
(6) Anthony Street born about 1710 in King William Co., VA and died June 7, 1790 in Amherst, VA. He is documented in William's will.
If you have any additional records on this line, please e-mail us. See link below.
GABBY STREET
Gabby Street whose real name was Charles Evard Street was an "old time baseball catcher" for St. Lewis . He became famous in 1909 for catching a baseball dropped off the Washington Monument.
He was born Sept. 30, 1882 in Huntsville, AL and died Feb. 6, 1951 in Joplin, MO. He also picked up the name "Old Sarge" during WW!. He was right handed, weighed 180 and was 5' 11'. He was often referred to as "Walter Johnson's catcher," even though he was with the famous pitcher for only four years (1908-1911). After playing baseball he became a manager and led St. Lewis to two pennants. The first was as a rookie manager in 1930, defeating the A's in the World Series. He later became a broadcaster for the Cardinals.
He was married to Lucinda Rena Chandler from MO. His father was William Frank Street of Madison Co., AL (1857-1894), son of Reuben Edward Street of Madison Co., AL (1827-1870, son of William Street born in NC and moved to Madison Co., AL (1790-1840). I have not found his line past William. This line is posted on Ancestory.com
ANTHONY STREET & ELIZABETH BROCKMAN'S GRAVE PROJECT Click>>HERE
Gywn Cemetery- Haywood Co., NC Research- Click Here
Old Street Cemetery in Mitchell Co., NC (Thomas Street line) By Hayden Street > >click>> HERE
The Street Family Newsletter Information
The Street Family Newsletter is a noncommercial newsletter which has been a forum for Street family researchers to share information since April 1994. The Winter Edition of this newsletter was the last edition in print. We are are beefing up this web page to continue the Street Family Newsletter on-line to assist people interested in researching the history of the Street family. Input and material are welcome. For information please drop me a line. Click Here to E-Mail me. Tom Street, Editor
The Street List on Rootsweb provides a forum for Street family researchers to post questions and information in the form of e-mail. You can easily join by clicking on the e-mail address below and type in the word "subscribe" in the message section. Emma will make sure you will receive all the information you will need. The service is free. STREET-L-request@rootsweb.com
STREET HISTORY RESOURCES
For helpful STREET FAMILY research WEB PAGES click here.
For helpful BOOKS on the STREET FAMILY chick here.
TWO STREET BOOKS
STREET, THE MAN, THE FAMILY, THE VILLAGE by Mary E. Manning
This book sold by Streetsville Historical Society, Box 598, Streetsville, Ontario L5M 2C1. Joyce Hodges of KS has this book and said there are some errors in the descendants, but very good information for descendants of Timothy Street (1748 - 1780) of Fairfield, CT and later Columbia Co., NY.
STREET FAMILY CONNECTIONS, A HISTORY AND GENEALOGY by Elizabeth Street Mason.
This was privately published and there may be no more copies available for sale. It has information about the immigrant Nicholas Street (1603 - 1674), the loyalist verse patriot split in the Street family, then concentrates on the descendants who moved to Charleston, S.C. beginning with Timothy Benedict (1779 - 1833). It is well researched and documented.
If you want any additional information on these books, e-mail Joyce Hodges at jehoges1@netzero.net
THOMAS DEAN STREET'S LINE AND INFORMATION
THOMAS DEAN STREET
1859-1926
We published a research article on Thomas Dean Street's line in the Spring 2003 issue of the Street Family Newsletter. You may click here to see the article.
Thomas Dean Street is standing to the far right of this sporty old car driven by his oldest son John Thomas Street (b.1880). I have not been able to identify all the people in this photo. It is believed my grandmother Carrie Mae Fullbright Street is the 5th adult from the left. The girl in front of her with a bow in her hair is believed to be Carrie's oldest daughter Elzia Street Simpson born 1912. None of the male adults look like my grandfather. Stamped on the back of the photo is "Kodak Headquarters, 72 N. Broad St., Atlanta, Ga."
This photo and the next one is part of the Hubbard - Street family collection. Dean Hubbard recently sent me these old family photos which I had never seen. ( L. to R.): John Woody Hubbard, Laura Street Hubbard (daughter of Thomas Dean Street ), Laura Jane Street (wife) and Thomas Dean Street. The child is Evelyn Hubbard. John Woody Hubbard and Laura Street Hubbard were the parents of Dean Hubbard. He is currently working on the Hubbard line. Date of photo is 1917.
It is believed that the man in this photo is Thomas Dean Street with his wife Laura. The lady on the left is Carrie Street Nesbit (another daughter of Thomas Dean Street) with baby Evelyn Hubbard (same as the child in above photo). The date of this photo is about 1915 in Georgia. Dean Hubbard sent me this photo since I was trying to find a photo of Thomas Dean Street without a hat.
CENSUS RECORD FOR THOMAS DEAN STREET'S LINE
Thomas Dean Street's grandfather "Thomas Street" is listed in the Conyers, Newton Co., GA 1860 census at age 72. He is the 3rd name down. This part of Newton Co. became Rockdale Co. after the Civil War.
Thomas Dean is less than 1 y/o in the Wilkes Co. 1860 Census with his father John T. Street and Mother Margery Ann "Mitchell" Street. Their family is next to the last family on the page - #46.
This 1880 Morgan Co., GA Census record shows the last record I have for Thomas Dean Street's father John T. Street with his wife Margery A. Below them is Thomas Dean Street with his wife Laura J. (Laura Jane Wellborn). Here is were the "T" looked like an "F: and the "D" looked more like a "P". Which made this record hard to locate.
This 1860 Newton Co. GA Census records show John T. Street's wife's parents, Green M. Mitchell and Asenath "Williams"
Thomas Dean Street with family in the Fulton Co., GA 1910 Census.
(My Family) FAMILY OF JAMES W. STREET (1889-1950)
James W. Street was my grandfather who died when I was seven years old. He is pictured above on the left with his son William "Bill" Street and wife Carrie Fullbright Street in 1945. I have a collection of pictures and information about his line which can be viewed by clicking HERE. Tom Street, Editor
Short cut to web pages for James W. Street's descendants.
Tom Street's Family Tree Maker Web Page Link: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/t/r/THOMAS-M-STREET/index.html
Research On Thomas Dean Street and his father J.T. (John Thomas) Street
You can find further information on other connecting families by clicking on the names below:
Click here for links to some Christian web pages.
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